I won't do that again.Problem: Integrating Kinematic Equations to Find Position

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The problem involves integrating kinematic equations to find the position of a car that starts from rest and accelerates with a given function of acceleration dependent on position. The original poster expresses a lack of understanding regarding integrals, despite having taken calculus courses.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and position, with some suggesting standard kinematic equations. Questions arise about the initial position and the necessity of knowing it to solve the problem.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some providing guidance on using kinematic equations. There is recognition of the complexity introduced by the variable acceleration, and the discussion remains open without a clear consensus on the approach to take.

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There is mention of the original poster's unfamiliarity with integration, and some participants suggest simplifying assumptions, such as taking the initial position to be zero. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the application of standard kinematic equations in this context.

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Problem: A car starts from rest and moves along a straight line with an acceleration of a=(3s^-1/3)m/sec^2, where s is in metres. Determine the car's acceleration when t=4sec. ANS: 1.06 m/sec^2

Alright...I know nothing about integrals...really, nothing. I was never taught anything about integrals even though I've taken calculus courses before.

Here's what I think I should do.

Take the equation a = d^2s/dt^2 and INTEGRATE it to find the position (s). But how do you do this.
 
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Forget numbers for a minute.

If ao is acceleration, vo is initial velocity, xo is initial position, then,

Acceleration at time t is: a(t) = ao
Velocity at time t is: v(t) = vo + ao * t
Position at time t is: x(t) = xo + vo * t + (ao * t^2)/2


They haven't taught you integration yet. Maybe you've been given these formulae, though, or something similar.
 
what's the initial position (xo)?
 
You don't need to know to answer the question. It's the distance, d, that's needed ...
d = x(4) - xo
= ...
 
d = 24s^-1/3

Sorry, I'm still not understanding.
I really appreciate your help, though.
 
How far you go doesn't depend on where you start from, so take xo to be as simple as possible ... xo = 0.
 
Originally posted by pnaj
Forget numbers for a minute.

If ao is acceleration, vo is initial velocity, xo is initial position, then,

Acceleration at time t is: a(t) = ao
Velocity at time t is: v(t) = vo + ao * t
Position at time t is: x(t) = xo + vo * t + (ao * t^2)/2


They haven't taught you integration yet. Maybe you've been given these formulae, though, or something similar.

The equations are valid only when a is constant
 
Thanks for that, himanshu121, I didn't notice the 's' sitting in the expression for a.

I just assumed that it was just a simple problem that didn't need integration and got side-tracked into seeing if jimmy had seen these equations before.
 

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