Solving E1jk & Proving |Torque|^2 w/o Summation

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The discussion revolves around solving a problem related to the tensor notation E1jk and proving the relationship involving torque, specifically |torque|^2 = |r x F|^2 = r^2F^2sin(θ) and the dot product r · F. Participants are exploring how to approach these concepts without using summation notation.

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  • Participants are questioning the meaning of the symbols E, epsilon, and delta in the context of the problem. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of these tensors and their implications for the calculations. Some participants are also discussing how to expand expressions related to torque and the cross product.

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The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided definitions and clarifications regarding the tensors involved, while others are seeking further understanding of the problem setup and notation. There is no explicit consensus yet on the approaches to take.

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Participants have noted confusion regarding the notation and definitions, particularly concerning epsilon and delta. There is also mention of specific parts of the problem that require further exploration, indicating that not all necessary information may be clear to everyone involved.

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How would I solve E1jk without the summation? I know how to solve it using the summation symbol but don't know howto do it without it.


Also, I need help proving that |torque|^2 = |r x F|^2= r^2F^2sin@(thetarF ). r dot F = rF cos (thetarF . Would I have to use (r x F) dot (r x F)?
 
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The Qs are not clear to me
Does E represents Electric field

And What do u want to prove for Torque
 
here is an attachment with the questions

I need help with the third one in number 1 and numbers 2(proof) and 3. For number 3, how would I expand?
 

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I still don't know what does epsilon delta represents may u have some notations

But as far as Q3 goes
The angle between [tex]\vec r x \vec F[/tex] is zero
Hence [tex](\vec r x \vec F).(\vec r x \vec F) = |(\vec r x \vec F)^2|[/tex]
 
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As himashu121 pointed out, in order to find ε1jk, you have to know what εijk means! I suspect I do know what it means since it is just a matter of looking up a definition, it would be much better for you to do that.

Right out the formula for εijk, and substitute i= 1- in fact, write out all the components and then just copy down those that have i=1.
 
I still want to know epsilon and delta i believe these are vector components

Though for Part2:

Write a=wx(wxr) = (w.r)w-(w.w)r where all are vectors and x is a cross product.

If r is perpendicular than w.r=0
 
Since jlmac2001 hasn't responded: In tensor analysis, δij is the tensor represented by the unit matrix: 1 if i=j, 0 otherwise.

εijk is the "alternating" tensor. It is defined to be: 1 if ijk is an even permutation of 123, -1 if ijk is an odd permutation of 123, 0 otherwise (i.e. if anyone of the indices is repeated).

εsub]1jk[/sub] is therefore:
ε111= 0
ε112= 0
ε113= 0
ε121= 0
ε122= 0
ε123= 1
ε131= 0
ε132= -1
ε133= 0

Written as a matrix this would be:
[0 0 0]
[0 0 1]
[0 -1 0]
 

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