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KingJaymz
Jan26-04, 07:06 PM
Ok, so I have this problem and I can't figure out where to go because I'm missing the mass. This is the problem:

There is a test charge of +1.0 C. 10 meters away, a negative charge of -0.2 is released. Find the speed of the negative charge when it is 2 meters away from the positive charge.

Is there a way I can get the mass of these charges if I wasn't given them in the first place? Sorry, I'm really rusty with Physics.

chroot
Jan26-04, 07:09 PM
You are correct. There is no way to solve the problem without knowing the mass of the moving object.

- Warren

KingJaymz
Jan26-04, 07:11 PM
Hrm. Nice avatar by the way. Venom's awesome. Are you sure there's no way to solve the problem without the mass? I was never given a mass...

chroot
Jan26-04, 07:18 PM
I am sure.

The easiest way to solve the problem would be the calculate the change in potential energy in moving from 10 meters to 2 meters, and equate that with the change in kinetic energy of the moving charge. That much is easy to find.

Finding the velocity of a particle with a given kinetic energy, however, requires the mass to be given.

- Warren

KingJaymz
Jan26-04, 07:20 PM
Nuts. That's what I thought. And, in fact, that was the way I was going to tackle the problem. Oh well. I can at least say "Let mass of point charge be x" and such. Thank you so much for your help. Hopefully I'll be able to start helping others with physics soon.

Edit: One last question about this problem. Does anyone know of masses that might be believable for the charges in the problem?

chroot
Jan26-04, 07:25 PM
The mass could literally be anything at all.

Did someone give this problem to you and expect an answer?

- Warren

KingJaymz
Jan26-04, 07:35 PM
Yes, but my professor made the problem up himself, so I guess he might have left out the mass by accident.

When I'm finding the difference between the values for the two Electric Potential Energies, am I right in assuming I need to take the absolute value? Or at least stay consistent with whether I take the absolute value with the kinetic energies as well?

chroot
Jan26-04, 07:45 PM
The potential energy with opposite charges, large r, is small and negative.

The potential energy with opposite charges, small r, is large and negative.

In other words, as the charges come closer, the potential energy is becoming more negative.

Just use a consistent sign convention.

- Warren

KingJaymz
Jan26-04, 07:51 PM
Thank you for the information. That's sort of what I was figuring. As long as my professor accepts my fabricated mass, I should be fine. Thank you again.