Evaluating Electric Field for the Coloumb Potential

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The problem involves evaluating the electric field derived from the Coulomb potential, specifically proving the relationship between the gradient of the electric potential and the electric field. The original poster seeks clarification on how to apply the gradient to the Coulomb potential function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster confirms the gradient relationship but questions how to evaluate the electric field for the Coulomb potential. Some participants suggest taking the gradient of the potential function directly.

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Participants are exploring different approaches to calculate the electric field. Some have provided partial answers and others have suggested checking the work for consistency with expected forms. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas regarding the use of spherical versus Cartesian coordinates.

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There are indications of potential confusion regarding the application of the gradient in different coordinate systems, as well as the need for verification of the results against known forms of the electric field.

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The problem is:

Prove that the gradient of an electric potential V(r) which depends only on the distance r=(x^2 + y^2 + z^2)^1/2 from the origin has the vlaue gradV(r) = V'(r)r-hat where r-hat := r/r is a unit vector in the direction of r, and V'(r) := dV(r)/dr. Use this to evaluate the electric field E= -gradV(r) for the Coulomb potential
V(r)= kq/r from a point charge +q, where k=1/(4*pi*E0)

E0 stands for epsilon.

My question is:

I proved that gradV(r) = V'(r)r-hat. How do I evaluate the electric field for the Coloumb potential? Would I take the gradient of V(r)=kq/r? I don't get what I need to do.
 
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Originally posted by jlmac2001
How do I evaluate the electric field for the Coloumb potential? Would I take the gradient of V(r)=kq/r?
Yes.
 
does this look right?

This is the answer i got:

kq*(x^2+y^2+z^2)^1/2 /(xi+yj+zk)
 


Originally posted by jlmac2001
This is the answer i got:

kq*(x^2+y^2+z^2)^1/2 /(xi+yj+zk)
Check your work. Your answer must be equivalent to:
[tex]\frac{kq}{r^2}\hat{r}[/tex]
 
i tried it again

this time i got, -kq(xi+yj+zk)/(r^5)
 
I'm not sure what you're doing, but keep trying. You're probably making some simple error. Here's how I did it:

If you use spherical coordinates, the gradient is trivial to calculate. By symmetry, the gradient must be along the [itex]\hat{r}[/itex] direction. So E = -grad(V)= -kq(∂/∂r)(1/r), which gives [itex]\frac{kq}{r^2}\hat{r}[/itex].

If you wish to use cartesian coordinates, no problem:
[tex]V = \frac{kq}{(x^2 + y^2 + z^2)^\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]
so, -grad(V) =
[tex]\frac{kq}{(x^2 + y^2 + z^2)^\frac{3}{2}}(x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}) = \frac{kq}{r^2}\hat{r}[/tex]
 

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