jlmac2001
Feb3-04, 07:00 PM
Problem: Verify that F= i - zj - jk is conservative, and find the scalar potential V(x,y,z) such that F=-gradV.
How do you tell if this is conservative?
will the scalar potential be: F=-gradV=-(-k-j)= (k+j)
HallsofIvy
Feb3-04, 07:18 PM
will the scalar potential be: F=-gradV=-(-k-j)= (k+j)
Uh- did you notice that (k+ j) is not even a scalar? Or that "grad" is only defined for scalar functions so that "-grad V" is not defined?
You are going the wrong way: you need to find a function V(x,y,z) such that -gradF= V. That is, we seek a function V(x,y,z) such that FVx= -1, Vy= -z and Vz= OOPs, I have absolutely no idea what you mean by "-jk". I am going to assume that you meant "-yk" and mistyped: Fz= -y.
Okay, if there exist such a function then Vxy=
(-1)y= 0 and Vyx= (-z)x= 0. Okay that's possible: Vxy= Vyx as expected. Vyz= (-z)z= -1 and Vzy= -yy= -1. Yes! We have Vyz= Vzy.
Finally, Vxz= (-1)z= 0 and Vzx= (-y)x= 0.
Yes, is conservative.
We must have Vx= 1 so V(x,y,z)=x+ g(y,z) (If g depends only on y and z, then it dervative with respect to x is 0).
The Vy= gy(y,z)= -z so g(y,z)= -yz+ f(z) and V(x,y,a)= x- yz+ f(z). Then Vz= -y+ f'(z)= -y (assuming thatit was supposed to by -yk rather than -ik) so f'(z)= 0 and f is a constant, C. V(x,y,z)= x- yz+ C.
Originally posted by jlmac2001
How do you tell if this is conservative?
One way is just find the potential function, like Halls did.
Another way is to evalute the curl of the force; if it's zero, the force is conservative and there exists a potential function.
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