How Is the Potential Energy of a Skydiver-Earth System Reducing?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the potential energy of a skydiver-Earth system as the skydiver falls at terminal velocity. Participants explore the implications of potential energy reduction and the relationship between the skydiver and the Earth in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants question the phrasing of the problem and the meaning of "Earth system reducing." There is discussion about the formula for potential energy and how it relates to height changes during free fall. Some suggest using calculus to find the rate of change of potential energy with respect to time.

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Some participants have offered insights into the interpretation of the problem and the relevance of height in calculating potential energy. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the rate of change of potential energy, with different perspectives on the use of calculus and the implications of constant speed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the mass and acceleration due to gravity are constant in this scenario, while height is the variable that changes. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between the skydiver and the Earth in terms of potential energy.

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A 60 Kg skydiver is falling at a constant terminal speed of 50 m/s. At what rate is the potential energy of the skydiver - Earth system reducing? What happens to this energy?
Potential energy = m x g x h
Where
m = mass of the body
g = acceleration due to gravity
h = height of the object





I don't understand what it's asking in this problem and in all the reading I've done there has been some sort of height or distance measurement involved for this type of question dealing with potential energy. The Earth system reducing is throwing me and I am not sure at all where to begin. I do know that formula is this though:


Potential energy = m x g x h
Where
m = mass of the body
g = acceleration due to gravity
h = height of the object
 
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Take the derivative of the potential energy wrt time.

Does that ring any bells?
 
Potential energy = m x g x h
Where
m = mass of the body
g = acceleration due to gravity
h = height of the object

Yes, that's true. And you are asked "At what rate is the potential energy of the skydiver - Earth system reducing?". "earth system reducing" is not a separate object! It's simply asking how fast the potential energy of the skydiver is changing. Okay, m is not changing- the mass remains 60kg. g is not changing in this example (it would if the change in height were really large but I don't think that's intended here- no "space diving"!) so the only thing changing is h.

If you can use calculus, you could think: Rate of change is the derivative with respect to time so d(PE)/dt= mg dh/dt. dh/dt is just the rate of change of height- we are told that that is -50 m/s. The potential energy is changing at a rate of -50*m*g= -50*60*9.81= -29430 Joules per second.

If you haven't take calculus, since the speed is a constant, you can just pick some arbitrary height to start with: let's say at some instant the skidiver is h= 1000 m above the earth. His potential energy (relative to the earth- that's why it is a "skydiver-earth system") is 60*9.81*1000= 588600 Joules. One second later, he is 50 m lower: h= 950 m and the potential energy is 60*9.81*950= 559170 Joules. In one second, he has lost potential energy 588600- 559170=29430 as before.

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Originally posted by Crashdowngurl
At what rate is the potential energy of the skydiver - Earth system reducing? ...

I don't understand what it's asking in this problem and in all the reading I've done there has been some sort of height or distance measurement involved for this type of question dealing with potential energy. The Earth system reducing is throwing me and I am not sure at all where to begin.
Halls discussed this a bit, but one thing that may be throwing you off is just the way that the question is asked. First realize that the potential energy is a property of the "sky diver"+"earth" system, not just the skydiver. Often you'll see questions like "What's the change in potential energy of an object when it is raised a height h?". These questions are sloppily worded! The "potential energy" is not "in" the object, it is a relationship between two objects. Of course, since so many books (and instructors) speak sloppily, when someone does ask it correctly it can throw you off.
 

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