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Bossavit
Nov8-06, 06:00 AM
As repeatedly asserted here, there is no "conjuring",
in the sense of "cheating", in Dirac's belt trick.
Yet, one may legitimately feel some frustration with
it, for though it "proves" its point (that SO3 is not
simply connected), it does so in a needlessly involved
way.

"Proves", here, actually means, "help visualize".
(Mathematical proof is another issue.) As
illustrated in Greg Egan's display, such visualization
is easy without losing one's pants: Think of a solid
ball in 3D space, centered at some point, dubbed "the
origin" from now on, with pairs of antipodal points
identified. Topologically, this is SO3, the 3D rotations
Lie group. The point to make is that there are two
classes of origin-centered loops in this space, those of
the first class being shrinkable to 0, while the others
are not: Any loop not crossing the surface belongs in
the first class. To get a representative of the second
class, go straight from 0 to the boundary (say, at point
A), reenter from the opposite point (A', say), return
straight to 0. This is a closed loop in SO3, obviously
not reducible to 0 by continuous deformation within SO3.
On the other hand, run along the previous path twice (or
any even number of times), and the resulting loop can
now be shrunk to 0 (provided one correctly interprets
the meaning of "loop": one is supposed to return to 0
at the end of the journey, but the mid-trip passage
through 0 is not mandatory--actually it *must* be avoided
as the loop is deformed).

The latter loop is thus from 0 to A, then jump to A',
go from A' to A, jump to A' again, and return to 0.
How to shrink it to 0, is what Greg Egan's
animation shows. It involves changing direction the
second time around, progressively: Instead of going
from A' to A, go straight from A' to some B
close to A, on the surface (do *not* go through 0
this time), jump to B' opposite to B, then back
home. This new loop, 0AA'BB'0, is "close", in
an obvious sense, to 0AA'AA'0. Now, keeping the first
leg of the journey (from 0 to A aka A') unchanged,
move B (and hence, B', the same point in SO3,
actually) towards A', on the surface. The
deformed loop is now 0AA'A'A0, that is to say, 0A0,
which nicely retracts to 0.

[All this is very easy to draw, though not in ASCII
unfortunately. I tend to think that such a series of
drawings, with comments, may be better as a teaching
aid than an animation, but that's a side issue.
(I did enjoy this animation, as well as others proposed
by Greg Egan, but I always had to first "see things with
the eyes of the mind", as Poirot is suppposed to say
in French translations, before being able to appreciate
them.)]

Now, the belt. Fasten the buckle in some fixed
position (a door knob may do), hold firm the
other end. Pause to show the belt is flat,
i.e., untwisted. Now give it two full (360o) turns
(around some fixed spatial axis, for neatness
--the vertical, say). You used both hands to do
that, presumably. Pause, keep loose end in one
hand, bring attention to the double twist in
the belt. Now, *always keeping this loose end of the
belt (approximately) vertical and not rotating
(not by more than a few degrees)*, pass it behind the
rest of the belt, then back to where it was (notice
you *must change hands* [or perhaps jump above
the belt... never tried that one] to achieve
that; maybe this is what evokes a "conjuring
trick" to some--we'll return to that). See the
belt, miraculously, flatten back to its original
configuration. Make the point that
nothing of this kind could be done after only
*one* full turn (or three, for that matter, if
the belt could stand it). Demonstrate also that
the loose end can be kept very close to the knob-
and-buckle end in this process, with its own frame
almost parallel, always, to the buckle's frame.

What has thus been "proved"? With respect to the
knob and buckle, each segment t of the belt, t
going from 0 to 1, has a translation vector v(t)
in 3D vector space V3, and a rotation s(t), element
of SO3, with respect to the buckle's frame. So
the belt materializes a path, t --> {v(t, s(t)},
in the product space V3 x SO3, i.e., in the Lie group
D3 of (direct) 3D displacements, the unit element
of which corresponds to the {knob, buckle's frame}
pair. [The algebraic structure of D3, as a
semi-direct product, is ignored here--perhaps
not a good thing.] Since buckle and loose end can
be kept very close and almost parallel,
this path is an honest approximation to a *loop*,
a loop in D3. Flat belt and doubly twisted belt
materialize two such loops, which are shown to be
homotopic by performing the trick. So what is
addressed, really, is the non-trivial homotopic
structure *of D3*, not SO3.

From which, of course, the same about SO3 is
easily *derived*. But let's not be fooled. The
Dirac's trick is an involved one, which achieves
more than was bargained for. Too much, perhaps.
Arguably, it takes too much classroom time,
if compared to the sequence-of-drawings process.
But also, and more of a concern, it tends to elicit
further questions which the teacher may not feel
ready to address.

For example, we noticed that the path in D3 could
be considered, for what it's worth, as a loop. So
why not make it a real, physical loop? Take the belt,
give it two full turns, now *fasten the belt*. Any
way to disentangle it? You bet. The inspired remark
that "if the belt's material was this kind of magic
stuff that can intersect itself, then the belt could
untwisted (after 2n turns, and not after 2n + 1)"
may not win applause.

And yet, this is it, for a part: D3 can be
considered as a fibered space, fiber SO3, base V3
(or rather, more accurately, base A3, the affine
3D space), and while homotopies in D3 do
generate homotopies in SO3, they don't project
to homotopies in A3. This is why the belt must
intersect itself to untwist, or be left unbuckled
in order to leave room for the manipulation (which
by the way could not be achieved if the loose end
was always kept in the same hand). The suspicion
of a "conjuring trick", though unfair, can thus be
understood, if not endorsed.

The "plate trick", though its analysis is involved
too, looks a little more transparent, but discussing
this would take too long. More interestingly perhaps,
it would be nice if topologists could explain to us,
more thoroughly and accurately than suggested here,
the mathematics behind the belt trick, beyond the
basic fact that SO3 is doubly connected.

Cl.Massé
Nov10-06, 05:00 AM
"Bossavit" <Bossavit@lgep.supelec.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
4550B26B.FD1E3B62@lgep.supelec.fr

> "Proves", here, actually means, "help visualize".

With a diagram (or an equation, or symbols, in short a full-fledged
mathematical proof). With a material object, it's impossible.

> Now, the belt. Fasten the buckle in some fixed
> position (a door knob may do), hold firm the
> other end. Pause to show the belt is flat,
> i.e., untwisted. Now give it two full (360o) turns
> (around some fixed spatial axis, for neatness
> --the vertical, say). You used both hands to do
> that, presumably. Pause, keep loose end in one
> hand, bring attention to the double twist in
> the belt. Now, *always keeping this loose end of the
> belt (approximately) vertical and not rotating
> (not by more than a few degrees)*, pass it behind the
> rest of the belt, then back to where it was (notice
> you *must change hands* [or perhaps jump above
> the belt... never tried that one] to achieve
> that; maybe this is what evokes a "conjuring
> trick" to some--we'll return to that). See the
> belt, miraculously, flatten back to its original
> configuration. Make the point that
> nothing of this kind could be done after only
> *one* full turn (or three, for that matter, if
> the belt could stand it). Demonstrate also that
> the loose end can be kept very close to the knob-
> and-buckle end in this process, with its own frame
> almost parallel, always, to the buckle's frame.

The second operation, however intricate it may be, is but a stealthy twist
in the other direction, concealed behind a 360° rotation. Indeed, if the
loose end is bend 90° to the right, passed behind, and unbended, the twist
is obvious. If during the operation, the bended end is kept parallel to
itself, there is no untwist. Houdini presumably knew that.

> What has thus been "proved"? With respect to the
> knob and buckle, each segment t of the belt, t
> going from 0 to 1, has a translation vector v(t)
> in 3D vector space V3, and a rotation s(t), element
> of SO3, with respect to the buckle's frame. So
> the belt materializes a path, t --> {v(t, s(t)},
> in the product space V3 x SO3, i.e., in the Lie group
> D3 of (direct) 3D displacements, the unit element
> of which corresponds to the {knob, buckle's frame}
> pair. [The algebraic structure of D3, as a
> semi-direct product, is ignored here--perhaps
> not a good thing.] Since buckle and loose end can
> be kept very close and almost parallel,
> this path is an honest approximation to a *loop*,
> a loop in D3. Flat belt and doubly twisted belt
> materialize two such loops, which are shown to be
> homotopic by performing the trick. So what is
> addressed, really, is the non-trivial homotopic
> structure *of D3*, not SO3.

The belt trick is intended to illustrate SU2, not SO3. For SO3, it's merely
a tautology, a rotation of 360° is equivalent to the identity. It's not
like in SU2 where a rotation of 360° isn't equivalent to the identity
(that's why a 360° *twist* is used), while a rotation of 720° is. That can
be seen with any rigid object. In that case, the proof can be made with a
material model, but only because the space is modelled by a three
dimensional Euclidean space. As on the earth surface it is actually
modelled by a Riemannian space, the proof can't be made, e basta.

Sorry for not having made the Grandes Ecoles.

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Bossavit
Nov14-06, 05:00 AM
Cl.Massé:
>in the other direction, concealed behind a 360° rotation. Indeed, if >the
>loose end is bend 90° to the right, passed behind, and unbended, the
>twist
>is obvious.

Which "twist" do you mean? As the loose end is moved
around, its own frame doesn't rotate. As you say

>during the operation, the bended end is kept
>parallel to itself

and the belt flatten out.

>The belt trick is intended to illustrate SU2,
>not SO3

It "demonstrates" (with still the same caveat about what the
word means) that SO3 is doubly connected. Hence
it has a simply connected double cover, which one easily
proves (mathematically speaking, this time) is SU2.

>a rotation of 360° is equivalent to the identity.

No doubt.

>in SU2 [], a rotation of 360° isn't equivalent
>to the identity

But what justifies calling an element of SU2 a "rotation"?
The group SU2 is acting on a different space than good
old 3D space (where belts, plates, etc., live). The
"demonstration", being a classical experiment in
this space, tells something about SO3. I don't
object to the statement that "the belt trick is
intended to illustrate SU2, not SO3". Most
of those who write about the subject seem to
intend that. But as the trick is about SO3,
really, and only indrectly about SU2, readers
get confused (and rightly so).

Cl.Massé
Nov19-06, 05:00 AM
I wrote:

> >in the other direction, concealed behind a 360° rotation. Indeed, if
> >the loose end is bend 90° to the right, passed behind, and unbended,
> >the twist is obvious.

"Bossavit" <bossavit@lgep.supelec.removethis.fr> a écrit dans le message de
news: 4553C2DF.6080603@lgep.supelec.removethis.fr

> Which "twist" do you mean? As the loose end is moved
> around, its own frame doesn't rotate. As you say

The plane containing the loose end make a 360° rotation during the
operation. Everybody can see it by making the experiment. By bending it,
it's obvious that this rotation is actually a twist of the belt.

> >during the operation, the bended end is kept
> >parallel to itself

> and the belt flatten out.

No, as the experiment shows.

> >The belt trick is intended to illustrate SU2,
> >not SO3

> It "demonstrates" (with still the same caveat about what the
> word means) that SO3 is doubly connected.

No, because the twisted belt isn't equivalent to the flat belt, since during
the operation a stealthy untwist is performed. It is simple, but that
doesn't make it incorrect.

> >in SU2 [], a rotation of 360° isn't equivalent
> >to the identity

> But what justifies calling an element of SU2 a "rotation"?

That SU2 is a compact group. Non compact generators (well, generators
generating non compact subgroup) are usually called translation generator.

A physical object, like a Dirac spinor, is transformed through a space
rotation. The transformation represents an element of SU2. That is called
a spinor representation. If space is 360° rotated, the spinor doesn't
transform into itself, but do it if the rotation is of 720°.

> The group SU2 is acting on a different space than good
> old 3D space (where belts, plates, etc., live).

No, SU2 is acting on nothing except itself. A *representation* of SU2 is
acting in a representation space. A representation of SO3 acts in the same
space as a representation of SU2, if it is a spinor representation.

Explicitly, let a point of R3 be noted with the Pauli matrices:
A = a_i s^i, where a_i are the three coordinates.

Acting on both side of A by a two dimensional representation of SU2, we see
that the point is rotated like by a representation of SO3 acting in R3.

Now if the representation of SU2 acts only on one side, we have a
representation of SU2 witch has no SO3 counterpart, yet acting on a three
dimensional real space. Indeed, the left column of such a matrix defines it
completely. But in this case, when the equivalent of a 360° rotation is
performed, the result isn't A but -A. Intuitively, that is because there is
an action only on one side.

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