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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a velocity graph, where the graph depicts a straight line from the point (0, 50) to (10, -50). Participants are tasked with deriving algebraic expressions for position, velocity, and acceleration based on this graph.

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  • Participants discuss the slope of the velocity graph and its implications for deriving the equations for velocity, acceleration, and position. Some explore the relationship between these functions through integration and differentiation, while others question the accuracy of the slope calculation and the interpretation of the graph.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to derive the equations from the velocity graph. Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, while others are questioning specific details and calculations, indicating a lack of consensus on certain aspects.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the graph accurately represents the velocity of an object over time, and there is some uncertainty regarding the initial conditions and the interpretation of the slope.

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Say I got this velocity graph. Assuming X=0, at T=0, write correct algebraic expressions for x(t), v(t), and a(t) with appropriate numerical values inserted for all constants.

Graph: (connect lines(-) to make straight line going from 0,50 to 10, -50

Vx (m/s)
50
!-_
! - _
!_______________
! -_ 10
! -
! -_
-50
How would i go about solving this problem?
Well graph wont' show up right, but it starts at (0,50), and it a straight line down to (10,-50)
 
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This is unclear to me.
 
Can u understand it now?
 
The velocity graph is a straight line from (0,50) to (10,-50) so it should be easy to calculate that the slope is (-50-50)/(10-0)= -10.
The equation of the velocity is v= -10t+ 50.
Of course, the acceleration is just the slope of that line: -10.

I don't know what math you have to find the position function. If you have taken calculus, the position is an anti-derivative (integral) of the velocity function: the anti-derivative of v=-10t+50 is -5t2+ 50t+ C where C is some constant. Since we are told that x= 0 when t=0, x(0)= -5(0)+ 50(0)+ C= 0 so C= 0. The position function is x(t)= -5t2+ 50t.

If you can't use calculus, in this simple situation (acceleration is constant) you can argue that the change in position is the area under the graph. For fixed T>0, The area under the graph is a trapezoid with one base 50 (at t=0), the other base 50-10T (at t=T) and height t. The area of that trapezoid is (1/2)h(b1+b2)= (1/2)T(50+50-10T)=(1/2)(100T- 10T2)= 50T- 5T2. Since the initial x value was 0, the position is just that change in position:x(t)= 50t- 5t2 just as before.

Yet another way is to argue that, with constant acceleration, we can treat this a a constant velocity problem by averaging the first and last velocities: the first velocity is 50 and the last velocity (at t= T) is 50- 10T so the average is (50+ (50- 10T))/2 = 50- 5T. Moving for time T at constant velocity 50- 5T, the object will move distance T(50- 5T)= 50T- 5T2 just as before.
 
If I understand this question, you are given a graph with velocity on the y-axis and time on the x-axis.
You then have a straight line from (0,50) to (10,-50), right?

If so, then that line represents the velocity of an object at any given time. From this graph you can imagine a car that is initially traveling at 50mph at time=0, then slows down to zero mph at t=5, and begins to reverse direction to 50mph backwards.

Knowing the following relationships:
x(t) is position of the car at a any given time.
v(t) is velocity at any given time = x'(t)
a(t) is acceleration at any given time = x"(t) or v'(t).

From your graph, you can determine the slope of the velocity. Write this in the form of v(t)=mx+b.
To find the position, x(t), you integrate the expression you wrote for v(t).
To find the acceleration, a(t), you take the derivative of the v(t) expression you wrote.

I hope I understood the question, and let us know if this helps you.
Post your answer here and I will see if it agress with what I have, I hope so!
 
Halls of Ivy-
I agree with the method of your response, however I think you made an error on the slope. It should be -5. The start point of the graph is (50,0).
Recheck that and let me know what you think.
 

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