Understanding Static Pressure in Variable Cross-Section Tubes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of static pressure in variable cross-section tubes, particularly focusing on the physical processes that lead to changes in static pressure as air flows through different sections of the tube. Participants explore concepts from fluid dynamics, including Bernoulli’s theorem and the relationship between flow speed and pressure changes, while considering both theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that as air flows through a wider section of the tube, the average flow speed decreases, leading to an increase in static pressure according to Bernoulli’s theorem.
  • One participant explains that static pressure is a result of the random motion of particles, which decreases when some of that motion is converted into directed motion.
  • Another participant elaborates that as air speeds up in a narrower section, internal energy from thermal motion is converted into ordered kinetic energy, resulting in a decrease in random kinetic energy and thus a drop in static pressure.
  • There is a query about the reliability of textbooks or articles that analytically address these concepts, particularly at a graduate level.
  • Participants question whether similar principles apply to liquids flowing through tubes and how thermal motion affects pressure changes.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between pressure gradients and acceleration, with uncertainty about whether pressure gradients generate acceleration or vice versa.
  • One participant seeks a specific formula that relates static pressure and flow speed at a point, distinct from Bernoulli’s equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the average angle at which air molecules strike the tube's sides decreases with increasing flow rate, contributing to pressure changes.
  • There is a reiteration of the explanation regarding the conversion of thermal motion to kinetic energy and its implications for temperature and static pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the physical processes involved in static pressure changes, with no clear consensus on certain aspects, such as the relationship between pressure gradients and acceleration, or the applicability of these principles to liquids. The discussion remains unresolved on several key questions raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the concepts discussed, including the dependence on definitions and the need for reliable sources to validate their claims. There are unresolved questions regarding the mathematical relationships and assumptions underlying the phenomena described.

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When air flows through a variable cross - section tube, as the cross - section area increases, the average flow speed of air decreases (due to continuity equation) and according to Bernoulli’s theorem the static pressure increases. Regardless of the mathematical proof of Bernoulli’s theorem, what physical process causes the static pressure increase?
What physical process causes the static presssure decrease when the air speeds up passing through a narrow part of the tube?
 
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Static pressure is caused by random motion of the particles in all direction.

Static pressure drops when you take away some of the random motion by 'converting' it into a directed motion.
 
Explanation with more details (by me):

As the air speeds up passing through a narrow part of a tube, a portion of internal energy due to thermal motion of molecules converted in ordered kinetic energy (and thus the dynamic pressure increase).

The result of this is the decrease of radom kinetic energy of molecules in all directions other than the direction of flow. So the components of velocities in these directions is reduced too, and therefore the static pressure drops.

Is it a correct explanation?
 
Yep. AFAIK, that's it.
 
To sum up:
As the air reaches at a region of the tube with a smaller cross-section area, the collisions among the molecules organize the velocities of the molecules in order for them to pass through the narrower part. This fact has the results below:
i) First of all the air is accelerated.
ii) Because the internal energy of the air due the thermal motion remains constant, the dynamic pressure increace and the static pressure drops.

A. If all the above are correct, does anybody know any reliable textbooks (graduate level) or articles that deal with them analytically and with accuracy, so to be sure that all of them are really correct?
B. Do the same things exists in the case that inside the tube liquid flows instead of air, when the thermal motion is decreased more?
C. As we say the accelaration of an amount of air causes static pressure drop. Contrarily, many textbooks/articles it is referred that the pressure gradients generates acceleration. But which pressure, static, dynamic or total?
What is finally correct? Pressure gradients generates acceleration or accelaration generates pressure gradients?
D. In which textbooks may I find the formula that associates the static pressure at a point and the flow speed in the same point? (I’m not referring to Bernoulli’s equation that associates the static pressure and the air speed at a point with the static pressure and the air speed at another point). I suppose that this formula arises by applying the laws of kinetic theory or statistical mechanics or thermodynamics.
 
The pressure drops because the average angle at which air molecules strike the side of the tube gets less with increasing flow rate.
 
leonpalios said:
Explanation with more details (by me):

As the air speeds up passing through a narrow part of a tube, a portion of internal energy due to thermal motion of molecules converted in ordered kinetic energy (and thus the dynamic pressure increase).

The result of this is the decrease of radom kinetic energy of molecules in all directions other than the direction of flow. So the components of velocities in these directions is reduced too, and therefore the static pressure drops.

Is it a correct explanation?


And also if the molecular random kinetic energy decreases, the temperature where the static presure is lowest must also decrease, by definition.
 

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