What Limits the Detail Optical Devices Can See and How Does SEM Compare?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the limitations of optical devices in resolving detail, particularly in comparison to scanning electron microscopes (SEM). Participants explore the factors influencing resolution, such as wavelength and diffraction, and inquire about the capabilities of specific devices, including the Rife microscope and SEM technology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the resolution of optical devices is limited by the wavelength of visible light, questioning whether the smallest detail visible is directly proportional to the wavelength.
  • One participant mentions that the Rife microscope is claimed to be a powerful optical microscope but does not provide specific resolution details.
  • Another participant states that modern SEMs can achieve resolutions around 5 nm, with the highest resolution devices being scanning transmission microscopes.
  • There is a discussion about the diffraction and interference effects that limit optical resolution, with some participants noting that using electrons instead of light can reduce these effects due to the smaller de Broglie wavelength of electrons.
  • One participant shares their experience with SEM resolution in a lab, stating they can resolve down to 10 nm.
  • Participants discuss the use of PMMA in electron beam lithography, including its properties and the process of developing patterns on a substrate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact resolution of the Rife microscope and the best resolution achieved by optical microscopes, indicating that the question remains open. There are competing views on the limitations of optical versus electron microscopy.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about resolution depend on specific conditions, such as the type of microscope and the energy of electrons used in SEM. The discussion also highlights the complexity of factors influencing resolution, including diffraction and signal intensity.

Will
I know that optical devices are limited in the detail that can be seen because of the size of the wavelength of visible light. What is the limit, the smallest thing that can be seen with an optical device? Is the level of detail directly proportional to the wavelength? So what is the wavelength used by the SEM? Is this the device that can show the highest detail?
 
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Hello Will,

I posted this once upon a time back in PF2. So far as I know this was/is the most powerful optical microscope ever built (The Universal Microscope);

http://www.rife.de/mscope/mscope1.htm
 
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So, what is the resolution of this microscope? Wavelength? Half wavelength? Quater?
 
SEM

SEM's today use electrons with anywhere from 2 - 50 KeV of energy and you can get ~5 nm resolution, or better, with them quite easily. The highest resolution devices are scanning transmission microscopes.

JMD
 
Is Rife microscope a SEM?
 
Originally posted by Alexander
Is Rife microscope a SEM?
Alexander,
Have you clicked on the link I provided?
 
Yes. It does not say what is the resolution of Rife microscope (say, 0.1 micron for blue light, or half wavelength for visible, or anything like this).

So, the question - what is best resolution of optical microscope achieved so far - is still open.
 
In the 1870s, a man named Ernst Abbe explained why the resolution of a microscope is limited. He said that since the microscope uses visible light and visible light has a set range of wavelengths. The microscope can't produce the image of an object that is smaller than the length of the light wave.

More details here;
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/GeetikaKumar.shtml
 
Basically, as light waves hit really small objects, they experience diffraction, and also interference. This limits the resolution you get from it. You can decrease the wavelength of you em waves to get better resolution, but then you have another problem - you have weak signal intensity because then the waves tend to go THROUGH the object, or THROUGH the receiver.
By using electrons, you can get better resolution because the debroglie wavelength of electrons are much smaller than the wavelength of standard em radiation. Hence, you experience less diffraction, less interference and hence better quality.
 
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On a good day, the SEM in our lab can resolve 10 nm. Of course, we can use it to write lines typically ~40 nm thick on a PMMA surface.

eNtRopY
 
  • #11
What is PMMA? Do you write lines to make a mask for photolithography?
 
  • #12
PMMA is polymethyl methacrylate, it's an organic resist. When PMMA is exposed to electrons, bonds between molecules is broken. So the exposed areas have a lower molcular weigth than the unexposed areas. You then use MIBK(Methyl Isobutyl Ketone) and IPA to devlop, or remove the exposed areas of PMMA. Then you can evaporate metal unto the wafer, then remove rest of the PMMA, leaving only the pattern you exposed made with a thin layer of metal.
 
  • #13
Cool. How do you remove PMMA from under metal (gold, I presume)?
 
  • #14
IPA breaks it down and removes it. Acetone also works, but not as well.

JMD
 

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