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The discussion revolves around the workings of hybrid transmissions, specifically how they integrate both automatic and standard transmission features. Participants explore various configurations and functionalities of hybrid systems in vehicles, including the roles of combustion engines and electric motors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe hybrid transmissions as systems that can transfer torque from either a combustion engine, an electric motor, or both, typically associated with automatic transmissions.
  • One participant proposes a concept of a transmission that uses a clutch to launch the vehicle, with subsequent shifting done via levers without further clutching.
  • Another participant recalls a specific farm equipment design that featured a manual shifter with automatic gear shifts, suggesting a unique hybrid approach.
  • There is mention of hybrid vehicle transmissions generally utilizing two clutches to allow for independent or combined operation of electric and combustion motors, with three basic types identified: parallel, series, and a combination of both.
  • Some participants discuss specific examples, such as the Toyota Prius, which reportedly uses an electric motor primarily to power the transmission, with the gas motor functioning more as a battery charger.
  • A participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the nature of hybrid transmissions, indicating a shift in their conceptual understanding after receiving information from others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of hybrid transmission systems, with no clear consensus on the definitions or configurations. Multiple competing views remain regarding the functionalities and types of hybrid transmissions.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the types of hybrid transmissions and their configurations depend on specific definitions that are not universally agreed upon. There are unresolved aspects regarding the technical details of how these systems operate in practice.

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How does a hybrid transmision work?
Both automatic and standard
 
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When I hear "hybrid transmission", I can only think of a transmission that can transfer torque to a drivetrain from either a combustion engine, an electric motor, or both, for a hybrid gas-electric vehicle. But I think these typically are automatic transmissions for the actual gear shifting.

Perhaps this is what you're asking about?
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/sequential-gearbox.htm
 
I was thinking along the lines of a transmission that uses a clutch to launch the car, but once in motion shifting was done via levers and no further clutching was necessary;

http://www.lencoracing.com/racetr%7E1.htm

I also recall a piece of farm equipment manufactured by White. I don’t remember for certain but believe there was no clutching involved at all. On the dash was a shifter with five forward positions. First, the driver would select low gear, and after the vehicle sped up a tad the transmission would shift into a higher gear by itself. As your speed continued to increase the driver would have to move the shifter to the next higher gear, and again the transmission would respond with another automatic shift of its own at the appropriate time. So, in all there were 10 forward gears; 5 of which had to be selected manually and 5 that would shift automatically.
 
It just occurred to me that you were asking about transmissions for hybrid (both combustion and electric motors) vehicles and not a transmission that is both automatic and manual. (That concept confused me.)

Typically, the transmissions for hybrid vehicles utilize 2 clutches, so that the electric motor can work independantly or in concert with the combustion motor. There are 3 basic types of transmissions for hybrid vehicles, parallel, series, and a combination of parallel/series.

Some links:
http://www.ford.com/en/innovation/engineFuelTechnology/modularHybridTransmission.htm
http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/129805.html (from 1998)
 
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avemt1 needs to come back and reply.

J-Man,
Don’t they also have those hybrid cars like the Toyota Prius that only use an electric motor to power the transmission, with the gas motor being more like a battery charger?

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Oops, I should have checked your link before posting.
 


Originally posted by BoulderHead
J-Man,
Don’t they also have those hybrid cars like the Toyota Prius that only use an electric motor to power the transmission, with the gas motor being more like a battery charger?

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Oops, I should have checked your link before posting.
:wink:

For the hyper-link challenged, the answer is yes. It's the serial configuration mentioned previously. The parallel configuration uses one or both of the motors to propel the vehicle. The "composite configuration" (I just made up that term) can do both.
 
Sorry for the long wait. I Never recived e-mail notification until today.
As of what I ment J-Man answered that by giving me information on the Sequential Transmission. My concept was all wrong. And the hybrid transmissions were very interesting.
I than you for all your help
 

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