Latest Verdict on Warm/Cold Blooded Dinosaurs & T-Rex Forelimbs

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The discussion revolves around the classification of dinosaurs, specifically whether they were warm-blooded or cold-blooded, and the functionality of T-Rex's forelimbs. Participants explore various theories and evidence regarding these topics, including the predatory versus scavenging behavior of T-Rex.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the consensus is leaning towards dinosaurs being warm-blooded, while others argue that some were cold-blooded.
  • There is a claim that T-Rex's forelimbs, despite being small, could still have had some utility, with one participant noting their lifting capability.
  • Another viewpoint posits that T-Rex was likely a scavenger rather than a predator, citing fossil evidence of its speed and sensory capabilities.
  • Conversely, some participants argue against the scavenger hypothesis, asserting that T-Rex's dentition indicates it was an ambush predator and that evidence supports it being an endotherm based on predator-to-prey ratios.
  • Participants discuss the implications of T-Rex's sensory abilities, comparing it to modern ambush predators and scavengers, raising questions about its ecological role.
  • There is mention of a trend in the reduction of forelimb size among the tyrannosaur family, prompting inquiries about the evolutionary reasons behind this change.
  • Some participants acknowledge the ongoing scientific debate, suggesting a possible middle ground where T-Rex could have exhibited both predatory and scavenging behaviors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the classification of T-Rex as a predator or scavenger, with multiple competing views presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the warm-blooded versus cold-blooded classification of dinosaurs.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the evidence for T-Rex's sensory capabilities and the implications for its behavior. There are also unresolved questions about the evolutionary significance of forelimb size reduction in tyrannosaurs.

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last time i heard scientists were bitterly disputing whether dinosaurs are warm blooded or cold blooded.what's the latest verdict?by the way can anyone give me a sane reason why a predator like t-rex should have no use for
forelimbs?
 
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I think the verdict is still out on that, but if I'm not mistaken the consensus is pointing towards warm blooded.

Who says T-rex didn't have uses for it's forearms? Sure, they're small compared to the rest of its body, but they could still tear some **** up. I think I read each arm was capable of lifting around 800 lbs.
 
i think they came to the conclusion that some were warmblooded and some were cold. also t-rex's arms were so short it would be hard to find a use for them. t-rex also was probably not a predator, it was seemingly (from fossil evidence) very slow, had great smelling capabilities, and could barely see, t-rex was probably a scavenger.
 
Originally posted by HazZy
i think they came to the conclusion that some were warmblooded and some were cold. also t-rex's arms were so short it would be hard to find a use for them. t-rex also was probably not a predator, it was seemingly (from fossil evidence) very slow, had great smelling capabilities, and could barely see, t-rex was probably a scavenger.

Just want to put in for the opposing point of view. I think that the evidence for T-Rex being a scavanger is nto at all convincing. For me, the evidence from dentition put the whole matter to rest; T-Rex, I am fairly convinced, was an ambush predator.

Also, the best evidence we have for T-Rex in particular suggests that it was an endotherm. This evidence consists chiefly of the ratio of preditor-to-prey fossil evidence. The idea is that a preditor's population will grow 'till it holds as many individuals as can be supported by the available food supply. Food requirements for an endotherm are at least three times the amount needed by exotherms. The predator-to-prey ratio for T-Rex (and most Cretatious preditors that have been investigated) is indicative of a warm-blooded preditor.
 
perhaps, but i still see no reason in which t-rexs sight was so poor, yet its olfactory was so advanced... look at a common ambush predator like an alligator, its eyesight is amazing and it's also quite fast (in water). now look at a scavenger like a vulcher, slow moving, bad eyesight, great sense of smell.
 
i like divergence of opinion.keep it up.i still say trex had small forearms.i have got an impression that there was a steady trend to this decrease amongst tyranosaur family culminating with rex.what is the explanation.anyway what difference does it make if it were a scavenger(iff!)why should a scavenger not need forearms?
 
Obviously, there's still a big scientific debate on both sides. And on the middle (e.g., a predator that also scavenges).
 
Originally posted by Phobos
Obviously, there's still a big scientific debate on both sides. And on the middle (e.g., a predator that also scavenges).
great point, I've recently looked into some of this stuff and found that even though t-rex was slow, compared with other large plant eaters (triceratops for example) it was relatively the same speed. so indeed it would be able to catch its food, something a lot of scientist deemed impossible. also some believe it could "launch" itself with it's tail much like an alligator, quite interesting.

a predator/scavenger would have been quite the ideal type of dinosaur back in those times huh? :wink:
 

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