Finestructure constant not constant?

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The discussion centers around the potential variability of the finestructure constant, α, as suggested by recent analyses of quasar spectra. Participants explore theoretical implications and possible mechanisms behind this variability, considering the roles of fundamental constants such as the speed of light (c), the elementary charge (e), and Planck's constant (h).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports that recent analyses indicate the finestructure constant may not be constant, suggesting that variations cannot be attributed to measurement errors.
  • Another participant proposes a relationship between α and the logarithm of the age of the Universe, while asserting that h and h-bar cannot vary due to their fundamental roles in quantum mechanics.
  • Concerns are raised about the mode of variation, with one participant suggesting it may not be continuous but rather episodic, potentially linked to natural phenomena like solar activity.
  • A reference is made to the work of Joao Maguiejo, who theorizes a varying speed of light in relation to photon energy in the universe, supported by the concept of Doubly Special Relativity (DSR).
  • Another participant suggests that if e is variable, it could be due to physical effects such as vacuum polarization, while maintaining that c and h are fundamental constants.

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Participants express various hypotheses regarding the variability of the finestructure constant and its relationship to other constants, but no consensus is reached on the nature or implications of these variations.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the relationships between constants and the potential for multiple interpretations of their variability, indicating that assumptions about their constancy may need reevaluation.

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Finestructure constant not constant?!?

I was at a lecture in "Hot topics in Astrophysics" and it seems from the analyzis of the spectrum from quasars that the the finestructure constant is not constant. Thé results can't be explained by "errors in the measurements".
There is no clues yet about what constant/constants that are variating. So far the theoretical people thinks it is either c or e but not h that is variating. I will post a link to the source ASAP.
BTW: Finestructure constant=e^2/(hc)=1/137
 
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This has always been

a "Hot Topic" for me. Like many others interested in the Scheme of Things I've spent quite a few hours of pocket calculator time and brainstorming trying to find a reason and value for α to no avail and finally decided it must be related to the logarithm of the age of the Universe expressed in Proton mass units.

And I've delved into the possibilities. Now neither h or h-bar can vary because h represents 2π radians of quantum mechanical phase and h-bar represents one radian of QM phase per radian of plane angle. So that leaves e^2 and c, so you can have fun cranking them into your measurement equations and find that all kinds of quantities change when you change them, like the size of the atoms your yardsticks are made of, the rates of various clocks, etc., and after you've sorted it out by comparing a number of measurements you may be able to find the guilty party.

Another problem is the mode of variation. I think most people will automatically suppose it will be continuous and infinitesimal, but in a Quantum Mechanical world I think not! First, every thing that changes does so through some kind of mechanism (the problem with most hoaky theories is that their authors have no sense of mechanism, especially the abstract kind that Nature displays) and we should look for that mechanism in Nature. I suspect the change will be episodic and dramatic, and there are many such events in Nature, such as those that occur in Solar Activity. Predicting and finding that mechanism might be an even better way of confirming the variation of α.
 
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You might want to look into the work of Joao Maguiejo (sp?), who did most work regarding this. Basically, he theorises a varying value of c in relation to the average photon energy of the universe, justified theoretically by DSR.
 


Originally posted by Bossieman
Finestructure constant=e^2/(hc)=1/137

Write this down as e2=hc/137, or better as e=(hc)1/2/11.7

Now it is just one step to assumption that e is variable (because 11.7 is quite odd number). So, most likely actual value of e is (hc)1/2 or (hc)1/2/2 or so, but what we see as e at far distance (compared to size of charge) is aberration due to some physical effect (like vacuum polarization, etc).

So, most likely c and h are fundamental but e and fine structure constant (FSC) are derivatives of c and h.
 

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