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schwarzchildradius
Apr28-04, 09:51 PM
How many protestors will lose their lives while protesting the RNC convention in NYC this summer?
phatmonky
Apr28-04, 11:10 PM
1-5 when they start rioting.
hughes johnson
Apr29-04, 01:29 AM
Our conventions, both democrat and republican are used to elect our presidents. This is how our republic functions. To purposely disrupt this process, is treason.
Anyone foolish enough to try this will hurt their own party greatly, and lose a lot of power in the coming decades. The American people will not be tolerant of this at all. Dumb mistake, and I hope the radicals are stupid enough to make it.
selfAdjoint
Apr29-04, 10:34 AM
The party conventions are not part of the government, and parties are not defined in the constitution. Treason, however, is:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. - Article III, Section 3.
hughes johnson
Apr29-04, 11:03 AM
The party conventions are not part of the government, and parties are not defined in the constitution. Treason, however, is:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. - Article III, Section 3.
Every one should read this definition. Many are currently over the line.
hughes johnson
Apr29-04, 01:03 PM
Many? Who are they?
Start with the world trade center bombers, the "American taliban", the sleeper cell in western New York, the "charitable" organizations, Padilla...
MANY in prison already, more expected.
Just wondering who you think are traitors. You did not say.
Who are the "American Taliban"? Which charity organisations do you consider traitors?
phatmonky
Apr29-04, 10:45 PM
Just wondering who you think are traitors. You did not say.
Who are the "American Taliban"? Which charity organisations do you consider traitors?
American Taliban = Johnny Taliban = John Walker Lindh = should have renounced his US citizenship, but didn't, so he got off lightly by not being executed.
Charitable organizations include the many that have been shutdown domestically, but let's put some name recognition. Hamas considers itself a charitable organization. Hamas has also called for attacks on Israeli and American civilians.
hughes johnson
Apr30-04, 01:22 AM
Who are the "American Taliban"? Which charity organisations do you consider traitors?
You don't seem to be up to date on these news items. I guess you don't get as much information in Australia as we get here in the states. Pity.
American Taliban = Johnny Taliban = John Walker Lindh = should have renounced his US citizenship, but didn't, so he should got off lightly by not being executed.
"So he should got off lightly." I'm not precisely certain what this mutilation of English means.
Okay, it seems you are referring to an individual. I had thought you were referring to some organisation.
Charitable organizations include the many that have been shutdown domestically, but let's put some name recognition.
Organisations have been shut down. What is it about this that you object to? Are you only referring to groups such as Hamas? If so, how are they traitors, as asserted?
Hamas considers itself a charitable organization. Hamas has also called for attacks on Israeli and American civilians.
Hamas considers itself a militant organisation, which began otherwise. Again, how does the word "traitor" factor into it?
You don't seem to be up to date on these news items. I guess you don't get as much information in Australia as we get here in the states. Pity.
Rather than make assumptions, try answering the questions. Which groups and organisations do you consider traitors?
phatmonky
Apr30-04, 06:48 AM
"So he should got off lightly." I'm not precisely certain what this mutilation of English means.
Okay, it seems you are referring to an individual. I had thought you were referring to some organisation.
Organisations have been shut down. What is it about this that you object to? Are you only referring to groups such as Hamas? If so, how are they traitors, as asserted?
Hamas considers itself a militant organisation, which began otherwise. Again, how does the word "traitor" factor into it?
No, I'm not just referring to Hamas, and I was simply lending some name recognition to someone that has received support in the past from groups of our population, and now calls for the same people's death.
Traitors were mentioned. I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me who these alleged traitors are.
How many protestors will lose their lives while protesting the RNC convention in NYC this summer?
1-5, not nearly as many as will "take up arms against the United States government", (when they start rioting).
My guess is either 0 or 1-5 will die of natural causes in large but uneventful protests.
It isn't 1968, Bloomberg isn't Daly, Iraq is not Vietnam and the leaders of the disenfranchised have not been recently assassinated.
Njorl
Still waiting for the justification of the use of "traitors".
russ_watters
Apr30-04, 01:39 PM
My guess is either 0 or 1-5 will die of natural causes in large but uneventful protests.
It isn't 1968, Bloomberg isn't Daly, Iraq is not Vietnam and the leaders of the disenfranchised have not been recently assassinated.
Njorl I'm not so sure. Hippies have been on the rise again. I know its a couple of years since Seattle, but those same WTO rioters will surely be at the RNC.
I think you could make a good case against Padilla. Of course, you'd have to charge him first.
The foolish kids from Buffalo almost certainly did not commit treason.
Even Lindh (sp?) did not take up arms against the US as far as I can tell.
I believe he went to Afghanistan before 9/11. He was fighting against the Northern Alliance, not the US, as far as I know.
Njorl
1-5, not nearly as many as will "take up arms against the United States government", (when they start rioting).
That would be none, right? Or are you saying that protestors are traitors by default?
Still waiting for the justification of the use of "traitors".There is none; it is rhetoric, signifying a closing of minds to contrary opinion.
phatmonky
May1-04, 10:15 AM
Still waiting for the justification of the use of "traitors".
I already gave examples.
phatmonky
May1-04, 10:16 AM
There is none; it is rhetoric, signifying a closing of minds to contrary opinion.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=traitor
trai·tor ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trtr)
n.
One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason.
The examples given all fit the definition.
hughes johnson
May1-04, 02:09 PM
True enough.
schwarzchildradius
May2-04, 02:04 AM
President Bush broke his oath to "Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
What does that make him?
hughes johnson
May2-04, 02:08 AM
President Bush broke his oath to "Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
No he didn't, but John Kerry did.
schwarzchildradius
May2-04, 03:01 AM
No he didn't, but John Kerry did.
Oh yeah? I've got plenty of evidence that says he did & does. What have you got?
hughes johnson
May2-04, 03:03 AM
Show your evidence.
schwarzchildradius
May2-04, 03:17 AM
You first...
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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