iraq abuse

[decibel]

have u guys seen the pictures? if u havent then here take a look....

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/myahudi/rape.html

what is this disgusting **** the soldiers are doin to the iraq's?......making them have homosexual sex with eachother......making them masterbait infront of female soldiers?.....raping iraqi women?......and everyone goes nuts when someone gets his head cut off on tape, when the US in iraq has probably done worse to iraq's , like come on, everyone on this board knows that this US adminstration is crooked, and wrong, and if BUSH gets re-elected then everything will just get worse, so think about this when ur voting soon

[Evo]

have u guys seen the pictures? if u havent then here take a look....

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/myahudi/rape.html

what is this disgusting **** the soldiers are doin to the iraq's?......making them have homosexual sex with eachother......making them masterbait infront of female soldiers?.....raping iraqi women?......and everyone goes nuts when someone gets his head cut off on tape, when the US in iraq has probably done worse to iraq's , like come on, everyone on this board knows that this US adminstration is crooked, and wrong, and if BUSH gets re-elected then everything will just get worse, so think about this when ur voting soonWhat was done to humiliate the Iraqi prisoners was wrong and those involved are being punished. There is no way anyone can say that beheading a civilian is even near the same thing.

[Hypercase]

wat's a stress position??

[Andy]

I assume that you have all heard and seen the pictures of the British troops torturing the Iraqi detainees, well just yeserday the Mirror (british tabloid) made an apolagy for publishing photographs of so called british soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners. They caused outrage in the UK with those pictures, and it turns out that those pictures had never come from iraq but from somewhere in preston, who's to say that this isnt the same scenario as to whats supposedly happened with the US soldiers?

[RBS_5]

omg .. those innocent people ...

*too shocked to say more*

[jimmy p]

Yeah, and if ANY British soldiers are harmed in response to the fake pictures then the Mirror will be taken to court for "endangering the populace" or something.

[tribdog]

War is hell.
I wouldn't do what was done to those prisoners though. I'm meaner than that. I remember 9-11 and would have nuked Afganistan and would do whatever it takes to get information out of the prisoners.
As far as the Geneva Code is concerned, they don't follow it, and I didn't sign it.
Then again, I don't believe in torture just for torture's sake. I wouldn't waste my time with it unless I was getting something out of it. If however I thought a prisoner knew something I needed to know, you better believe he'd be begging for the battery cable to the the testicles. I wouldn't enjoy doing it, but I'd do it.
As far as the jailers are concerned, lock them up and throw away the key. Simply because of their sheer stupidity. Posing for pictures with those big goofy grins on their face they are an embarassment to their country and their species.

[mooberrymarz]

People like u scare me Tribdog. :frown: no human being deserves the torture whihc those iraqi prisoners are going through..., its absolutely disgusting.

[tribdog]

as disgusting as flying an airplane into a building?
as disgusting as strapping a bomb to a child?
listen I don't agree with this torture on the pictures. It doesn't seem to be accomplishing anything, therefore it is wrong.
But, IF information that can save lives is being "shamed" out of these prisoners, then I say mission accomplished keep up the good work, and shove a pineapple up an anus for me.

[mooberrymarz]

You wouldnt need to fish for information if u guyz hadnt screwed with the Iraqi people in the first place. yeah ok 9/11 was a tragedy, but I doubt wot happened In the US is as half as bad as what the Iraqi people are going through right now. Even if u guyz do get information on possible terrorist attacks do u honestly believe that they are going to just give up and stop??? your soldiers have killed their sons,fathers, raped their daughters and mothers... I understand their anger.

[Memnoch]

Read a few books, watch a few documentaries, look into history from moderate sources and not the overdramatic hype of the US media, and listen to the people and not some supposedly educated Stanford graduate who was taught from the CNN Encyclopedia about History.
These atrocities such as rape is what has happened in War since mankind decided to write and communicate. This is nothing new.
This is just a reflection of a darker side of mankind and much more primative side.
If you actually analyze the events the United States Government has been involved with in regards to the Middle East in General and how it ties into Russia then you'll see why no country there trusts us nor wants any part of us. Once Proclaimed Freedom Fighters due to fighting off the former Soviet Union are now proclaimed Terrorists.
In retaliation we destroy them, their civilians, and they destroy ours.
Wow, in our modern world of education and communication there is still this thorn in the side of Mankind called War and it's consequences can be read about through History since History seems to repeat itself.
Rape, taking your enemies goods for your own empire, torture, beheadings, and all atrocities use to be common place through society.
Wasn't the USA formed by terrorists by todays standards?
Or were they freedom fighters?
Only time can tell.
Right now it seems the US Troops are being commanded by psychos who ordered them to commit those atrocities.
The worst part is the troops seemed to enjoy it.
So who truely is the terrorist here?
If the USA was invaded by another stronger country would it's citizens not react as the Iraqi's are reacting?
It's hard to look in the mirrior for anyone, esepcially when what they see they do not like.
None of these violent acts are correct on either side because each side can justify their actions.
The question is, can the USA get over itself and admit to loosing an unnecessary war or do they have to loose more citizens and more troops to this war.
Take a lesson from the British and leave that country alone as they left the USA alone a long time ago.
That may at least give both sides a good time for reflection.

-=|peace|=-

[mooberrymarz]

I get wot ure saying memnoch, but i have watched documentaries, and video footage shown by students in my university who went to Iraq. After seeing those pictures in the link i cant help but take sides. yes this is war, and terrible things do happen in war... but seeing those soldiers raping that woman makes me sooooo bloody angry. I believe that it is now those bastard US soldiers who are the terrorists.

[jimmy p]

How about what happened to the SAS patrol that went into Iraq in the first Gulf War?? Anyone read Bravo Two Zero?

The Iraqi torture methods arent that pleasant either... branding the captives or burning them with cigarette butts, pulling out fingernails and toenails and in some extreme cases, cutting off body parts with a chainsaw just to get people to talk.

[decibel]

tribdog......look at those pictures...does it look like their tryin to get information out of the iraqies...DOESENT LOOK LIKE IT TO ME........., "hey lets pile up 15 iraqis on top of each other and stand behind them and smile so we can get information.." or "hey lets make this guy masterbait infront of everyone so we can get information" wtf are u talking about?, their gettin information from raping iraqi woman..?....first they go INSIDE their country...and bomb the **** out of it...take oil and then abuse and rape them and kill in some cases. how would u like it someone came into america and did the same thing?, ya EXACTLY, so dont even compare this to 9/11 cuz im 90% sure that iraq had NOTHING WHATSEOVER to do with 9/11...bush wants oil and money...and wants to finish off what his daddy dident, thats all he wants, and by doing so, he is destroying ur economy, if i could vote next election...it wouldent be for him

[Memnoch]

MooberryMarz, I completely relate since it makes my blood boil also. Such violation of anyone against their will really deserves strict punishment in my personal opinion. Castration would be my method if I encountered a rapist. But thats just my opinion. However, besides my emotional attachment to such issues I have to neglect them and look at everything in the long run and within an extended timeline. What is best for society on both sides that would be benificial for both of the societies.
Taking lessons from the past and applying them to today is the only way a society can progress instead of continuing the loops of mistakes over time. So, learn from the Brits and abandon this colony/nation that the US has free'd from a dictator instead of becoming an occupying dictator. The loss of life on both sides has to stop along with either sides war crimes. So the most logical way to make that happen and most benificial for both sides in the long run is to abandon Iraq to themselves as the British abandoned the Colonies which then turned into the USA as we have it today.
Anyway, just my input.
-=|peace|=-

[tribdog]

I don't care!
I have no problem dividing the world into people I like and people I don't. Screw with the people I like and I'll kick you in the testicles, period. Iraqis shooting at Allies, killing prisoners etc, get no mercy.
So many of the people over there want me dead because I'm an American, I would have left them alone but now I can't. My country has been attacked and I won't let it happen again. Do I feel my life and the lives of people i like are more important than everyone else's? Yes. Does this make me selfish? Yes, but I don't care. Call me what ever you want it doesn't matter to me, but screw with some of the people in here or that I know and you better buy a cup. Go ahead, hurt Evo or jimmy p or Tsunami and a few others. I'll hunt you down and play Iraqi prisoner camp.

[Memnoch]

I'm sure there are people over there just like you who think the same thing and have rationalized the same way TribDog.
Its your opinion and is right to you. A democrasy wouldn't function if it wasn't for people like you with varying opinions. The key is to take into account what is best for our nation in the long term instead of rationalizing off of emotions within a momentary perspective. You may not care now but the repercussions your children or childrens children may face because of your actions may be severe and something you would regret. That is the way to approach any situation.
-=|peace|=-

[jimmy p]

Uh Memnoch, I dont know if you have heard but the Brits are still in Iraq... in your last post on the other page, you are saying learn from us but we are still there. The only difference is the pictures of British soldiers abusing prisoners were faked by a tabloid newspaper.

And thanx tribdog for caring!! :biggrin:

[Robert Zaleski]

The pictures I've seen appear to show the activities in a typical Copenhagen bathhouse on a dull Saturday night.

[Polly]

I don't care!
but screw with some of the people in here or that I know and you better buy a cup. Go ahead, hurt Evo or jimmy p or Tsunami and a few others. I'll hunt you down and play Iraqi prisoner camp.

Tribdog, on a pragmatic level, I think the best way to protect our love ones is to make sure that we make no enemies for them, that they are surround by friends, that they are protected, looked after and cared for even in our absense. By allowing ourselves to be prey to our rage and by perpetuating violence, we are not just endangering our live and their lives, we are exposing the lives of our progeny to unnecessary and unfathomable risks.

At the end of the day, Tribdog, we all have our love ones, we all want the best for them, our sentiment, our feelings are the same, the pain and anger we feel for their sufferings are the same. We are all the same, there is no difference in us.

All for Peace.

[Memnoch]

Jimmy P
I wasnt saying the Brits wern't in Iraq. They are there because of USA pressure.
I was talking about History if you'd read my posts more throughly.

[mooberrymarz]

"I would have left them alone but now I can't. My country has been attacked and I won't let it happen again." (Tirbdog)
I dont get wot ure saying tribdog. they have not attacked ure country.. a specific terrorist group can by no means represent the entire country of Iraq. Ure soldiers are in iraq using military force of course they are going to retaliate and shoot at US soldeirs. 9/11 was just another excuse to go after the oil in iraq...maybe its time u just accept it.

[Adam]

as disgusting as flying an airplane into a building?
as disgusting as strapping a bomb to a child?

What do these things have to do with those prisoners?

[jimmy p]

Jimmy P
I wasnt saying the Brits wern't in Iraq. They are there because of USA pressure.
I was talking about History if you'd read my posts more throughly.


:wink: I was just being picky! i felt like being in a silly mood.

Anyway I dont think we are there becasuse of US pressure, we are there because we have aided our allies and want to see the job done completely as opposed to what happened in the last Gulf War.

[jimmy p]

9/11 was just another excuse to go after the oil in iraq...maybe its time u just accept it.

I have to disagree with that. 9/11 was an attack by a terrorist organisation against the US and the rest of the western world. Remember that Afghanistan was landed on from a great height first as a repurcusion because that was where the terrorists hailed from. It just happens that the next country that was in line was Iraq. Maybe it was poor choice by Bush seeing as it is his Dad's war and whatever but all the "excuse for oil" talk happened once the coalition had been in Iraq being unproductive. Can anyone actually provide links or information to show how much oil has been drilled out of Iraq since last year?? Are these results different from other years? What about where they are shipped to?

[Adam]

I have to disagree with that. 9/11 was an attack by a terrorist organisation against the US and the rest of the western world. Remember that Afghanistan was landed on from a great height first as a repurcusion because that was where the terrorists hailed from.

Most of them were from Saudi Arabia, a nation which has more ties with the USA than it does with Iraq.

[Peter Pan]

what is this disgusting **** the soldiers are doin to the iraq's?......making them have homosexual sex with eachother......making them masterbait infront of female soldiers?.....raping iraqi women?......and everyone goes nuts when someone gets his head cut off on tape, when the US in iraq has probably done worse to iraq's , like come on, everyone on this board knows that this US adminstration is crooked, and wrong, and if BUSH gets re-elected then everything will just get worse, so think about this when ur voting soon

Decibel…..

I agree with you. What our soldiers did to those prisoners is unforgivable. They should pay for those heinous acts. Guess what, they are and in front of the rest of the world. There was no attempt to cover any of it up and the Defense Secretary even went as far to tell the American public that there are more pictures and videos out there. Does us being open with our mistakes make it anymore forgivable? NO. But it should keep your mouth shut. It happened; we are punishing those who did it and taking measures to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

What pisses me off is when morons like you use this kind of BS to politicize this war. “Oh, don’t reelect President Bush. He rapes poor Iraqi soldiers” “The US administration is corrupt and evil” Take a seat dude. Your post would have been a good conversation piece until you added that crap on at the end and let us all know your true reason for even bringing it up. Shame on you!

You have ABSOLUTLY NO steam going into this election and have to cheer for horrible things to happen in the economy and the war to have a cupcake chance in fat camp to get things your way. I for one think that is despicable.

Pan

[Simon666]

Joe Vialls is a nutcase. A number of those pics are obvious fakes from a pornsite, http://www.sexinwar.com/. However, anyone who claims that the pictures appear to show the activities in a typical Copenhagen bathhouse on a dull Saturday night, I've never been to that, but tell me, do people in Danish bathhouses pose with thumbs up next to a guy they've beaten to death in the showers (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/images/nap2.gif)? :uhh:

[mooberrymarz]

You have a point there jimmy, i should actually look and find out wots being done bout the oil :redface: I read n another post that those pics on the link are fake and are off a porn website... :mad: :mad: its so hard to make an informed decision nowadays. I am not going to take any pics seriously from nowon... why do people play mind games with us. ??

[jimmy p]

Most of them were from Saudi Arabia, a nation which has more ties with the USA than it does with Iraq.


Didnt the terrorist organisation they were linked with come from Afghanistan though?

[Adam]

Didnt the terrorist organisation they were linked with come from Afghanistan though?

They were supposedly linked with Al Qaeda, which is allegedly headed by a guy from Saudi Arabia.

[jimmy p]

But isnt Al Qaeda mainly based in Afghanistan?? If not, what are the reasons for the attack on Afghanistan?

[Adam]

But isnt Al Qaeda mainly based in Afghanistan?? If not, what are the reasons for the attack on Afghanistan?

Good question.

[Memnoch]

Besides poppi fields and heroine production, Afghanistan gets money from terrorist groups to train in their nation. Kinda like renting out a space for storage. Al Qaeda rented out a space in Afghanistan so they wouldn't dirty relations with Saudi Arabia and the USA by bringing war upon Saudi Arabia for their terrorist attacks upon the USA from their rented space in Taliban Afghanistan.
Taliban Afghanistan openly offered areas for training to the former "freedom fighters" known as Al Qaeda or any other group who could pay the bill.
Interestingly enough Afghanistan was recieving Tons of money from all kinda of training camps so they started destroying their poppi fields and heroine production. The USA gave them a large sum of money at that time for Human Rights initiaves in that country and then 9/11/01 occured. The USA then realized they'd been played and then decided to try and thwart future attempts such as this and invaded Taliban Afghanistan. Completely wiping out and forcing out all foreign groups there. Those groups went to Iraq since Sadaam offered asylum there. Since the USA was in the area and there was nothing really stopping them they decided to track down the terrorist groups in Iraq, meanwhile finishing a war that was started a while back and taking out another potential threat to the USA. Killing 2 birds with 1 stone so to speak.
Poppi fields are back in action in Afghanistan and bringing money to the country again but this time the money is actually going towards education which has been re-initiated along with education of men and women in segregated schools.
This seems to also be an effort of cutting loose ends because if you notice through history and the past 30 years, every nation or group the USA used against the former Soviet Union seems to be disappearing or on it's way out with help from key USA allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and even India.
Those countries also have an oil pipeline to maintain to send oil produced from the Carlyle Group's factories and technologies in those countries over to China from under the Sea's which seperates them (Arabian and Indian). This brings together a whole agenda for the Middle East from which most nations will benifit from eventually since most products everyone uses are made within the Industrialized Oil Consuming China. The USA consumes quite a bit of the worlds Oil and this recent gas crisis is tied into the whole shipment of oil to China to produce more products for the world and especially the USA and also develope more technologies.
It is true that what happened in Iraq to those prisoners on both fronts are horrible but also they are just consequences of what everyone's interests seem to be. Politically anyway.
I read and listened to a lot of the information from a movie called "The Truth and Lies of 9-11-01 and from www.fromthewilderness.com. But I also read a lot of moderate international news sources and kinda what I said above is just consequential information from those sources combined.
If the USA does leave Iraq which I believe they should do, then the world will be able to reflect upon Iraq in a new light and see how Iraqi's can gain from this instead of being the victims. Maybe the world can step in and turn Iraq into a wealthy nation like Saudi Arabia instead of letting that burden fall upon a group of countries like the USA and it's allies. This whole situation can be benificial for everyone and especially the Iraqi's.
Which then places us back into getting rid of Terrorist groups who disrupt this whole mess. Not only in the Middle East but also in the northern areas of Europe where I hear there are some terrorist problems also.
Anyway,
-=|peace|=-

[Simon666]

Is there an award for "worst composed post" and "post with biggest load of bollocks" on this board?