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hey...i am ****ed for life...
i go to a UC and i got caught plagiarising on my english essay, but the thing is its only the rough draft and the final draft is COMPLETELY different and in my own, but still the proff turned it in to the board members and i got an automatic F for the class...
This is my first time and i am ****ed cause i had my whole set in going to medical school...i studied ****ing hard my whole freshman and soph year and maintaned a GPA of 3.8...and now cause of that one ****en class and everything i amd ****ed..i feel like killing some1 right now and i am clueless right now..
how big is it if u plagiarise a rough draft??
im going to talk to them tomrorrow and i need to know whawt to say..thanks
Janitor
May19-04, 11:17 PM
I can't answer the bit about the rough draft. But I can say, from my own intuitive grasp of human nature, that the more belligerent your attitude seems to be to them, the more likely they are to dig in their heels and refuse to give an inch to you on this.
Loren Booda
May19-04, 11:43 PM
In undergraduate university I maintained a low C average despite a serious mental illness and never cheating, while some summa cum laudes got by with veiled dishonesty.
Contrition is your key. If school means that much to you, show them that you are now willing to follow a set of ethics.
It's helpful to express yourself, but instead of killing someone, swallow your pride, practice maturity and follow the letter of the board. Such action may benefit you throughout life.
It's going to be hard to prove that your final essay would be original since the rough draft was plagiarized. What was the reason behind turning in that rough draft?
Do you have a compelling argument to justify why you did it?
I would be as remorseful as possible in your meeting.
i was under a lot of stress that time because of my chem midterms which was the next day and being a procrastinator myself i do everything the night before
Math Is Hard
May20-04, 12:01 AM
You better come up with something good. There's a long list of honest folks waiting to take your spot at a UC school.
What percentage of it did you plagiarize?
the rough draft..its 100% .i used my friends paper
and the final ...0% ..its completely my own work
i feel like killing some1 right now
You feel like killing someone because you chose to cheat and *gasp* actually got caught? Grow the hell up.
- Warren
Ivan Seeking
May20-04, 12:10 AM
hey...i am ****ed for life...
...depending on the decisions that you make right now. You are currently making the decisions that will define the course of your life. What kind of person are you? This question is more important than what happens tomorrow.
Tell the complete truth and throw yourself on the mercy of the court.
You feel like killing someone because you chose to cheat and *gasp* actually got caught? Grow the hell up.
- Warren
okay, i know it is my fault for cheating and everything..and i was , like im sure everyone else would be, in a bad mood while writing this and i may have overexaggerised a little and i in no means would kill anyone because of my stupid behavior..and im sorry for that rude comment...
I would do what Loren & Ivan suggested, fall on your sword. Tell them this is the stupidist thing you have ever done. Admit you were wrong and hope that they believe this is really not in your nature.
here is the thing..
the rough draft isn't worth any points, and the professor was just assigning busy work and i had to focus on my science classes but i intended in writing a complete original final draft which is completely different from the rough draft that i turned in.
That doesn't matter. It was still an assignment, and you cheated on it. Trust me, trying to justify why cheating should have been okay will not go over well with the board.
- Warren
Ebolamonk3y
May20-04, 01:04 AM
Honesty... which is alright because you never know how a cheatin habit will turn out... Perhaps this is a good first indication that will stop future impacts of similiar action.
Did you weigh the consequences in the beginning? Aw well... I can't do anything for you, sorry.
The Vice Chancellor of my uni lost his job for the same thing. Not appreciated in academic circles.
As people have said... Do not try to justify it. Simply admit you didn't have the first version ready, and so borrowed one. Be very honest about it, apologise, and work really hard on your own work in case they allow you to submit it.
Rough drafts aren't busy work.
Rough drafts are there to ensure that you're on the right track with your work. They're there to point out any mistakes or problems. They're there to make sure you don't wait until the last minute.
Next time, if you're allowed a next time, you go to the professor and ask for an extension.
mooberrymarz
May20-04, 02:29 AM
Chroot u are sooo cruel. poor nemzy!! I think u should take Evos advice. She is pretty smart nemzy.. just prove to them that u are honest and hardworking. thats the best u can do right now.
BoulderHead
May20-04, 02:42 AM
… i got caught plagiarising on my english essay, but the thing is its only the rough draft and the final draft is COMPLETELY different and in my own,
The final draft is completed.
the rough draft..its 100% .i used my friends paper
and the final ...0% ..its completely my own work
The final draft is completed.
… but i intended in writing a complete original final draft which is completely different from the rough draft that i turned in.
The final draft, is it completed ???
Apologize for your actions. Then offer them a deal. Admit what you had done, admit that it was wrong and offer to write another essay on the evils of plagiarizing another person's work. If there is time, write a rough draft of the essay before walking into meeting to indicate to the teacher and the administrators that you understand the value of a rough draft and to show that you have learned your lesson.
Good luck.
Jenn_ucsb
May20-04, 09:58 AM
Nemzy, I think this whole situation has given you a great opportunity to think about your behavior. It may seem minor to you, but regardless of the cicumstances, you did in fact participate in academic dishonesty. You say you want to go to med school. Would you cut corners or procrastinate when you are stressed there? I sure hope not.
I graduated from a UC, and I can say from knowing people in similar situations, that you will either be asked to leave the school permanently or you will be placed on an extended academic probation. If they offer you probation, this note will more than likely stay on your record, and should you apply to graduate school, you will have to explain these circumstances to the admission committees of the schools that you apply to.
When I was an R.A, someone on my hall was asked to leave because he had copied his chemistry lab from a friend. This assignment was not worth any points, and this would have normally resulted in probation. But, because the student went into the hearing with the attitude that what he had done was not "that bad", and he justified why he had done it. His defensive, dismissive attitude sealed the deal for the committee. I tell you this, because my advise to you is to take a good look at this, and go into your hearing with a *genuinely* humble attitude, a formal apology, and an understanding of the reasons why what you did was wrong.
hey guys, thanks for your help
ill notify later what happens
hey guys, thanks for your help
ill notify later what happens
Ebolamonk3y
May20-04, 01:12 PM
Chroot u are sooo cruel. poor nemzy!! I think u should take Evos advice. She is pretty smart nemzy.. just prove to them that u are honest and hardworking. thats the best u can do right now.
How is that anyway cruel? Warren is #3... he gives out the answer. Evo's advice will led you to rely on weakness and slither into the endless excuse we make for yourselfs. Why should I get up this morning? No one in the world gives a flying **** about you so do what you like... I think Chroot's advice is most beneficial if you follow it.
Hardworking is in itself a excuse for not being able to do something. Last time I checked nature does not give if you are smart or stupid or hardworking or lazy...
zoobyshoe
May20-04, 10:46 PM
Hardworking is in itself a excuse for not being able to do something. Last time I checked nature does not give if you are smart or stupid or hardworking or lazy...
What on earth are these two sentences supposed to mean?
Math Is Hard
May20-04, 11:26 PM
Chroot u are sooo cruel. poor nemzy!! I think u should take Evos advice. She is pretty smart nemzy.. just prove to them that u are honest and hardworking. thats the best u can do right now.
Sorry, but I am unable to muster up much pity. But then again I am UC staff.
Evo's advice will led you to rely on weakness and slither into the endless excuse we make for yourselfs.What's wrong with my advice?
I would do what Loren & Ivan suggested, fall on your sword. Tell them this is the stupidist thing you have ever done. Admit you were wrong and hope that they believe this is really not in your nature.
Ebolamonk3y
May20-04, 11:30 PM
Your nature is what you do... What you give others as an impression is you and trying to say that... well this was me in my not so myself mood is just another lie to cover up a lie in itself...
Just say nothing. Nothing to say.
Chroot u are sooo cruel.
I don't think Warren is acting in any way cruel.
While I certainly don't wish nemzy any ill will, I am yet another person who has absolutely no tolerance for plagiarism.
Just two days ago a member of a design team I am team leader for decided that the academic careers of everyone in the team weren't worth a damn. The person plagiarized full text out of several websites and put it in as sections in our draft for a national competition. Luckily we caught it.
If we hadn't noticed and submitted it, it would have been the last scholarly paper any of us would have been able to write.
While I hope you the best, nemzy, you really should have known better.
Math Is Hard
May20-04, 11:31 PM
Monk3y, you talk in riddles. Is this a zen thing?
Evo, you have been accused of advising a co-ed to slither. How do you plead?
:rofl:
mooberrymarz
May21-04, 03:56 AM
look guyz. nemzy made a mistake and is going to pay for it regardless of the advice we give. i cant help but be sympathetic coz life is about making mistakes and learning from them. Consequences are things we cannot run from or in some cases change, so I just think its good to be supportive. the UC staff are certainly not going to be like that..
Ebolamonk3y
May21-04, 09:44 AM
look guyz. nemzy made a mistake and is going to pay for it regardless of the advice we give. i cant help but be sympathetic coz life is about making mistakes and learning from them. Consequences are things we cannot run from or in some cases change, so I just think its good to be supportive. the UC staff are certainly not going to be like that..
Mistakes like these concerning cheating is made at a young age and if not you know of the people who cheated and their results, which, usually is not that good... If you have no morals or standards then you can at lest employ common sense. If you neglect common sense you are no longer willing to take responsibilities for rational decisions, rather, you want all decisions to be irrational and there can be no sympathies for that. You seriously thing if the members on PF cry a river for you you can actually feel better? Go to a local park and visit the river, think mother earth cry a river for you. How special.
hypnagogue
May21-04, 10:11 AM
People make mistakes. Probably the biggest mistake people make is to dwell on past mistakes interminably. nemzy made a big mistake, and now s/he's already facing considerable consequences, so there is little value in continuing to pile on the criticisms. Plagiarism is a serious offense in academic life, but there is so much more to life than academics. nemzy will have to face the repurcussions in the arena of academia, but the nature of the offense doesn't justify a complete withdrawal of guidance and emotional support. If everyone acted this way, the world would be even more neurotic than it already is.
Ivan Seeking
May21-04, 10:43 PM
A young person can usually survive a few bad choices; we all did it. The important thing is to admit the truth and move on. A continued pattern of deciept, with lie built upon lie, is sure recipe for disaster. IME, most people face several important moments of choice in their life - about the kind of person that they are and will be - perhaps like that faced now by nemzy. I have come to believe that we can't really imagine the entirety of the consequences of those seemingly isolated moments, and the choices that we make.
Ebolamonk3y
May21-04, 11:15 PM
So it is life.
Math Is Hard
May23-04, 11:48 AM
hmmm.. it's been a while now since nemzy has posted. Do you think no news is good news...?
Loren Booda
May23-04, 11:57 AM
It's the weekend - time to think, but not to drink.
TALewis
May23-04, 12:28 PM
All you got was an F in the class? Consider yourself lucky you didn't get expelled. If you play your cards right, you might be able to take the class again for grade replacement, if your university offers that.
And the bottom line as far as it being a "rough draft:" Your professor requested work. You submitted someone else's work and called it your own. That's unethical. Now you know.
I scored ridiculously high on IQ tests at Deakin University - proper ones, I mean, not internet tests. However, I am an absolutely terrible student. I've never cheated on anything in my life. Not even in primary school. So it annoys me when I sit there working away at stuff, and I see groups of other students sharing data, or just copying from material they bought off students from previous years. It annoys me more when I, who don't cheat but am a crappy student, work hard and get a pass, and these cheaters don't work at all and get great scores.
Math Is Hard
May23-04, 01:48 PM
All you got was an F in the class? Consider yourself lucky you didn't get expelled. If you play your cards right, you might be able to take the class again for grade replacement, if your university offers that.
And the bottom line as far as it being a "rough draft:" Your professor requested work. You submitted someone else's work and called it your own. That's unethical. Now you know.
How do you know nemzy got an F?
Ebolamonk3y
May23-04, 02:34 PM
Maybe he "fell on his sword" as Evo suggested.
TALewis
May23-04, 03:18 PM
i go to a UC and i got caught plagiarising on my english essay, but the thing is its only the rough draft and the final draft is COMPLETELY different and in my own, but still the proff turned it in to the board members and i got an automatic F for the class
Am I reading this wrong? I thought he said he got an automatic F in the class.
I'm old and my eyesight stinks.
Math Is Hard is older than me, so she must be BLIND!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I do hope, tho, that no news is good news. It's a first offense, albeit a VERY SERIOUS one, so I hope they give s/he another chance. I'm just a softie... :wink:
Math Is Hard
May23-04, 05:55 PM
You're right - my poor old eyes have failed me!
it annoys me when I sit there working away at stuff, and I see groups of other students sharing data, or just copying from material they bought off students from previous years. It annoys me more when I, who don't cheat but am a crappy student, work hard and get a pass, and these cheaters don't work at all and get great scores.
Well I have always noticed that life has a funny way of catching up with me and collecting from me the due.
My P.4 teacher was teaching the definite and indefinite articles (a, an, the) one late spring afternoon when I was most uncharacteristically captivated by the singing birds and lush vegetation outside the classroom. They have baffled me since.
And of course the year in which WWII ended was just too obvious to appear in any history test so I didn't commit it to memory. Guess what, it turned up in a t.v. quiz show some years later and not knowing the answer, my mother and I couldn't make it to the final contest.
zoobyshoe
May23-04, 11:36 PM
I am happy to report you used the article "a" completely correctly twice in that post.
zoobyshoe
May24-04, 12:29 AM
:rofl: what a relief!
Once again! Completely correct!
Chi Meson
May24-04, 09:08 AM
I scored ridiculously high on IQ tests at Deakin University - proper ones, I mean, not internet tests. However, I am an absolutely terrible student. I've never cheated on anything in my life. Not even in primary school. So it annoys me when I sit there working away at stuff, and I see groups of other students sharing data, or just copying from material they bought off students from previous years. It annoys me more when I, who don't cheat but am a crappy student, work hard and get a pass, and these cheaters don't work at all and get great scores.
I fall in the same category: High IQ, lousy as a student (much better as a teacher though since I can recognize those who don't perform as well in "traditional" forms of asessment). I wish I could boast your record though. I went into high school with a clean concience. BUt in my sophmore year, during a surprise (and mean-spirited) quiz, I succombed to the "wandering eye syndrome." I copied the completely erroneous answer of my friend next to me. Since I had not developed any skill at cheating, I copied the answer nearly ver batim. Case closed. The feeling that I had when I was caught, and the repercussions that followed created "the worst moment of my life." The ironic thing is that those kids who cheated all the time were the first ones to get into teasing me for cheating.
I guess it was a good thing that it happened so early; you never want to feel that way again. I still wish I could say that I have never cheated.
I scored ridiculously high on IQ tests at Deakin University - proper ones, I mean, not internet tests. However, I am an absolutely terrible student. I've never cheated on anything in my life. Not even in primary school. So it annoys me when I sit there working away at stuff, and I see groups of other students sharing data, or just copying from material they bought off students from previous years. It annoys me more when I, who don't cheat but am a crappy student, work hard and get a pass, and these cheaters don't work at all and get great scores.
I'm in this same category. I've told this story here before, but it suits this discussion.
The top ten kids in my HS graduating class shared homework assignments, test questions, etc., while I got mediocre grades because I just didn't do any homework (my tests got me through school). One time, I go very interested in Chemistry and I got a 100 on a test that no one else got higher than a 70 on. I busted the curve and they all got Cs. One of the top ten kids accosted me in the hall and told me not to do that again, "Or else". I though he was kidding, but he wasn't. Coercion, yet another form of cheating used by those jerks.
Chi Meson
May27-04, 09:25 AM
So.....?
We're waiting.
TALewis
May27-04, 09:45 AM
I was regularly known as the "curve-buster." It really ticked people off.
You guys are sending him the wrong message and being waaay to easy on him. Ya we all make mistakes. But if you don't learn from them then it's a waste.
Be an adult, accept the responsibility of what you did, and the consequences of your own actions. What bothers me is that this person is mad, when it's thier own fault, and they are looking around for someone to blame. Blame yourself, because you only let yourself down- no one else. You made a mistake, and it happens- But if you get off easy, and don't learn from that mistake, and cheat again- don't bother looking at med school... I'd look into barber college or something.
If I'm harsh it's because I don't empathize with cheaters. Being supportive only reinforces his negative behavior, and makes it sound acceptable. It's not, and cheaters always find out the hard way later that life has no mercy on cheaters, and the consequences are a lott bigger.
mooberrymarz
May27-04, 10:21 AM
If you get off easy you dont learn from mistakes...???? Thats not really true. I'm sure Nemzy emotional state would be enough to remind Nemzy of wot happens when u cheat. he's clearly upset. I'm sure he's not going to do it again.... being supportive is not enforcing his negative behavoiur, its just being human and accepting that we all make mistakes. nemzy screwed up and everybody gave him the best advice that they could and he did acknowledge that he did somehting wrong.
If you get off easy you dont learn from mistakes...???? Thats not really true. I'm sure Nemzy emotional state would be enough to remind Nemzy of wot happens when u cheat. he's clearly upset. I'm sure he's not going to do it again.... being supportive is not enforcing his negative behavoiur, its just being human and accepting that we all make mistakes. nemzy screwed up and everybody gave him the best advice that they could and he did acknowledge that he did somehting wrong.
If there are no consequences when you do something wrong, you don't view it as wrong. A child puts it's hand on a hot stove and is burned. There is a consequence for doing it. If the child puts it's hand on the stove the first time and it's not on, the child will think it's ok, and the next time will get burned trying to to touch the stove.
Yes he's upset. The question is, is he upset with himself, or at being caught? If it's the latter, then he will cheat again and has learned nothing
Scenario: He gets away with a slap on the wrist and continues on. He cheats here and there to boost his GPA and graduates with a good GPA. Now comes the MCAT, because he wants to go to med school. Well all those other times he cheated catch up with him because the MCAT tests him on things he cheated on. So he tries to cheat on the MCAT. gets busted. Permanantly blacklisted from every med school, and just wasted 4 years of his life for nothing.
I don't think I'm being too harsh, I'm just telling it like it is. Ya it sucks that you got busted cheating, but it's your own fault... beg forgivness and don't do it again. I don't think I'm being vicious here.
Why do you think one can't cheat on the MCAT? There are people who will take the MCAT for you, for a price. Then you can cheat your way through med school. Then you can cheat your patients out of good medical treatment.
There is a reason that cheating needs to be punished so harshly today. It is too easy. Those who are caught are the rare exception. When the risk is so low, the punishment must be extremely harsh in order to deter it. I think they really need to start stressing this in high schools. Children have just got to learn this. In high school, you can lay a heavy punishment on a student that won't alter their life too badly. In college, there should be no tolerance for it. There are people who don't cheat who would like to go to college, but don't get in. Every one of them deserves the education more than cheaters do.
The lamest excuse I have heard is that the work load is too much. If the work is too hard, then perform more poorly than the other students. Your poor performance will be an accurate reflection of your ability. It is nobody's right to be among the top performers. Even hard work does not give that right.
There is also the "everybody does it" line. If they do, turn the bastards in! They are stealing from you. If they broke into your home and took your TV, you'd call the cops, wouldn't you? All courses are curved, overtly or covertly. When someone cheats, they are lowering your grade. By lowering your grade and raising theirs, they are increasing their future earning potential and lowering yours. They are stealing your money!
Njorl
i_wish_i_was_smart
May27-04, 02:38 PM
that is the best answer anyone could of given, and i feel the same way
way to go Njorl
Dimitri Terryn
May28-04, 12:36 AM
I think you have just given a good argument for not curving courses...
Why do you think one can't cheat on the MCAT? There are people who will take the MCAT for you, for a price. Then you can cheat your way through med school. Then you can cheat your patients out of good medical treatment.
There is a reason that cheating needs to be punished so harshly today. It is too easy. Those who are caught are the rare exception. When the risk is so low, the punishment must be extremely harsh in order to deter it. I think they really need to start stressing this in high schools. Children have just got to learn this. In high school, you can lay a heavy punishment on a student that won't alter their life too badly. In college, there should be no tolerance for it. There are people who don't cheat who would like to go to college, but don't get in. Every one of them deserves the education more than cheaters do.
The lamest excuse I have heard is that the work load is too much. If the work is too hard, then perform more poorly than the other students. Your poor performance will be an accurate reflection of your ability. It is nobody's right to be among the top performers. Even hard work does not give that right.
There is also the "everybody does it" line. If they do, turn the bastards in! They are stealing from you. If they broke into your home and took your TV, you'd call the cops, wouldn't you? All courses are curved, overtly or covertly. When someone cheats, they are lowering your grade. By lowering your grade and raising theirs, they are increasing their future earning potential and lowering yours. They are stealing your money!
Njorl
You missed my point, which is that right now cheating just alters grades. If he does it as a doctor, it could kill someone.
jimmy p
May28-04, 05:57 PM
WOAH Zantra, long time no see!!!
TALewis
May28-04, 06:07 PM
Yes, many an ER episode has shown me the consequencies of "cheating" on a patient's chart!
zoobyshoe
May28-04, 06:13 PM
You missed my point, which is that right now cheating just alters grades. If he does it as a doctor, it could kill someone.
First Boulderhead, now Zantra. Proof that people can return from the dead!
Where the hell have YOU been?
jimmy p
May28-04, 06:37 PM
badgerbadgerbadgerbadger... but i digress from my original point... if i had one.
I have heard that since alot of teachers use some sort of automatic plagarist-check type program, some people get popped for using common, well known phrases that can be originally atributed to a specific author. Phrases like "an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind" or "We have nothing to fear but fear itself", or something similar; do these require reference? By the way, does anyone know the sources of the two quotes? I think the first one is from Martin Luther King, but possibly Ghandi, and the second is from FDR? Anyone?
zoobyshoe
May29-04, 01:06 AM
I have heard that since alot of teachers use some sort of automatic plagarist-check type program, some people get popped for using common, well known phrases that can be originally atributed to a specific author. Phrases like "an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind" or "We have nothing to fear but fear itself", or something similar; do these require reference? By the way, does anyone know the sources of the two quotes? I think the first one is from Martin Luther King, but possibly Ghandi, and the second is from FDR? Anyone?
A phrase like that shouldn't be used at all, since the first time is funny, and the second time it is on its way to becoming a cliché. Look at Yogi Berra's line; "It's like deja vu, all over again." It was hysterically funny when he said it. Now it's a tired cliché. People don't even realize why it was funny, anymore, which is because the original saying used to be "It's like deja vu!" Period. All guides to writing wisely advise people to stay away from clichés.
If a person HAS to use one, it is best to preface it by "As the saying goes..." or with "As someone once said...", or "As people often say...". Then you are off the hook in case it looks like you are trying to pass someone else's turn of speech off as your own. Most teachers just want good, clear, straightforward writing. They aren't looking for cleverness. They just want solid writing the students did themselves.
BoulderHead
May29-04, 01:24 AM
First Boulderhead, now Zantra. Proof that people can return from the dead!
Where the hell have YOU been?
Perhaps Zantra has discovered my secret to avoid death; just keep moving.
I developed an involuntary twitch in my, you guessed it, eye. I figure that as long as it keeps twitching 24-hours a day, I should be ok. :smile:
Well, it has been ten days now since Nemzi posted. I had hoped he would have answered my question so I would have been able to know whether the final draft was actually completed as 100% original prior to being caught, after being caught, or never at all. I couldn’t tell from reading what was actually going on.
zoobyshoe
May29-04, 02:18 AM
Perhaps Zantra has discovered my secret to avoid death; just keep moving.
I developed an involuntary twitch in my, you guessed it, eye. I figure that as long as it keeps twitching 24-hours a day, I should be ok.
Goodness, what an unnessesarily elaborate solution! Simply breathing 24 hours a day will suffice!
BoulderHead
May29-04, 02:23 AM
It's that slight pause between inhaling and exhaling that kills !!
Dazed&Confused
May29-04, 06:35 AM
Well, the best thing you could do is to face the fact that you lied and cheated, now on one hand that might be considered a bad thing, on the other remember where you live and remember that what you have done only qualifies you to enter politics on a very low level. My advice would be to march right into that room and tell those ungreatfull pencil pushers that you resent their accusations, that you are only coming before them as a gesture of your good nature and to enlighten them as to what really happened.
Tell them that you had helped the person who owned the original draft, that this person pestered you endlessly day after day, with re-write after rewrite. You would mention her name, however, you are above that sort of finger pointing.
Tell them it got to the point that your desk was covered with her Euro-Trash ideas and when at last you helped him finish it, you were so tired that when at long last you were able to return to your own paper, after a few hours of helping out at the Save The Children's relief effort. Not forgetting to mention that you had to stop off at the blood clinic first to donate, that by the time you sat back at your desk you had misstakenly picked up some of that poor souls paper work and it was accidently incorporated into your own work. Adding; "Had you known that the events that unfolded in the way they did, that you of course would have brought this to their attention much eariler."
Finally closing with "Your only reason even at this late stage for approaching this distinguished pannel is that you have already signed up for an internship with former President, William Jefferson Clinton's office in Harlem, NYC, to devote 3 years to giving legal aid to those most needing of it, those poor people that ask only for a hand up, not a hand out. Remind them that as a child as your father ran off with the lady that was selling vacum cleaners door to door, you vowed to your dying Mama on her death bed that you would look after your 7 brother and sisters and make sure that they all recieved a good education, inspite of their handicaps from birth.
For God's sake don't forget to shead a few tears at this point and then turn and start walking towards the door adding "I submit my future and theirs to you good people, I'll just wait outside until you decide what you wish to do..."
Now sunshine, if you follw this advice and pull this off, you are ready for a life time in the Congress of the United States of America! God Bless ya boy and good luck!
It's that slight pause between inhaling and exhaling that kills !!
And whatever you do, DON"T SNEEZE!!!!!! :surprise: :rofl:
TALewis
May29-04, 10:04 AM
A phrase like that shouldn't be used at all, since the first time is funny, and the second time it is on its way to becoming a cliché.
So what you're trying to say is, "Avoid clichés like the plague."
:)
BoulderHead
May29-04, 10:24 AM
So what you're trying to say is, "Avoid clichés like the plague."
:)
Haha, quite clever, TALewis. I salute you!
BoulderHead
May29-04, 11:11 AM
I wrote my comment at 4:18 AM CST, and you wrote yours at 6:35 AM (?ST)...... I knew I shoulda got a few extra hours sleep........... "mindrambling" is a horrible thing to waste. Ps: Boulder? Yes, I agree on the debate on the subject spoken about ~ now only if I can find the post. lol
Werdatothewise,
Near the upper left of the page, in white text, click on: User CP. That will take you to your control panel where you can access your private messages (I sent you one). Also listed are any threads you may have subscribed to. I too get lost in this forum so if I can find my username anywhere I click on it, then perform a Find more posts by... search. This will list all your postings and make finding what you're looking for easier.
franznietzsche
May29-04, 11:32 AM
You feel like killing someone because you chose to cheat and *gasp* actually got caught? Grow the hell up.
- Warren
Amen. I actual;ly know a guy from high school who lost trustees scholarship for cheating and his parents sued. People like this just disgust me.
First Boulderhead, now Zantra. Proof that people can return from the dead!
Where the hell have YOU been?
I went to find myself, but I got lost.
Life has kept me busy for sure. But I like boulder's answer better :wink:
zoobyshoe
Jun1-04, 11:24 PM
I went to find myself, but I got lost. When will people realize they can always be found at their current location?
When will people realize they can always be found at their current location?
I know.. I tried to tell myself that.. but I always have hated to stop and ask directions... *shrug*
zoobyshoe
Jun1-04, 11:39 PM
I know.. I tried to tell myself that.. but I always have hated to stop and ask directions... *shrug*
At least we know you're honest: you didn't sneak a peak at someone elses location and plagarize it.
At least we know you're honest: you didn't sneak a peak at someone elses location and plagarize it.
Apparently plagiarism in the road map business is a problem. I've heard that companies invent fake streets and places to put on their maps in order to better catch map plagiarists.
zoobyshoe
Jun2-04, 03:33 AM
Apparently plagiarism in the road map business is a problem. I've heard that companies invent fake streets and places to put on their maps in order to better catch map plagiarists.
It does more harm than good, though. That's where Zantra has been the past several months: wandering up and down one of those fake streets.
It does more harm than good, though. That's where Zantra has been the past several months: wandering up and down one of those fake streets.
Yep, that explains everything.
Loren Booda
Jun2-04, 06:40 PM
Potemkin St., for instance.
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