leptons and quarks [Archive]

alistair

May31-04, 06:26 AM

Uncle Al

May31-04, 04:23 PM

<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>alistair wrote:\n>\n> If leptons and quarks carried a new kind of charge, which is\n> associated with a very weak force, and this charge was repulsive\n> between an electron and a proton in a hydrogen atom,then the lamb\n> shift of the hydrogen atomic spectrum could be due to the 2s electron\n> experiencing a smaller repulsive force than the 1s electron, which is\n> closer to the proton.If this idea was right, what other experimental\n> evidence,apart from the lamb shift, could back it up?\n> How would the standard model of particle physics be affected?\n\n<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/lamb.html>\n<http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/LambShift.html>\n<http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~rt19/hydro/node8.html>\n<http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cgi-bin/rp/rp2_abst_e?cjp_p98-014_76_ns_nf_cjp>\n\nThe Lamb shift in hydrogen:\n1057.852 MHz or 4.372x10^(-6) eV\n\n<http://www-aix.gsi.de/annrep2003/files/85.pdf>\nhttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0107036\n\nThe Lamb shift in U(91+):\n459.8 eV in the total ground state binding energy of 131.816 keV\nError bars within theory at 463.93 eV.\n\nYou need two points to draw a line. Whatever new force you postulate\noperating by whatever mechanism, it doesn\'t work at both points. A\ngood theoretician would then add a string of increasingly higher order\nperturbation terms to lock the fit, being careful that there was no\nempirical challenge of his frenzied tap dance. Said final theory, in\nexcellent agreement with both points, would be wrong.\n\n--\nUncle Al\nhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf\nhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm\n(The parity Eotvos experiment is queued)\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form">  View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>alistair wrote:
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> If leptons and quarks carried a new kind of charge, which is
> associated with a very weak force, and this charge was repulsive
> between an electron and a proton in a hydrogen atom,then the lamb
> shift of the hydrogen atomic spectrum could be due to the 2s electron
> experiencing a smaller repulsive force than the 1s electron, which is
> closer to the proton.If this idea was right, what other experimental
> evidence,apart from the lamb shift, could back it up?
> How would the standard model of particle physics be affected?

<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/lamb.html>
<http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/LambShift.html>
<http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~rt19/hydro/node8.html>
<http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cgi-bin/rp/rp2_abst_e?cjp_p98-014_76_ns_nf_cjp>

The Lamb shift in hydrogen:
1057.852 MHz or 4.372x10^(-6) eV

<http://www-aix.gsi.de/annrep2003/files/85.pdf>
http://arxiv.org/abs/http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0107036

The Lamb shift in U(91+):
459.8 eV in the total ground state binding energy of 131.816 keV
Error bars within theory at 463.93 eV.

You need two points to draw a line. Whatever new force you postulate
operating by whatever mechanism, it doesn't work at both points. A
good theoretician would then add a string of increasingly higher order
perturbation terms to lock the fit, being careful that there was no
empirical challenge of his frenzied tap dance. Said final theory, in
excellent agreement with both points, would be wrong.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(The parity Eotvos experiment is queued)