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David
Jun21-04, 02:51 AM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>This seems like a question I should know the answer to.\n\nCan anyone suggest what can be said about (say) 0+1 dimensional\nquantum mechanics in the limit where kinetic terms are suppressed?\nAlthough individual Feynman diagrams seemingly diverge, I suppose that\none should still be able to define observables which are finite in\nthis limit.\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form">&nbsp;&nbsp;View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>This seems like a question I should know the answer to.

Can anyone suggest what can be said about (say) 0+1 dimensional
quantum mechanics in the limit where kinetic terms are suppressed?
Although individual Feynman diagrams seemingly diverge, I suppose that
one should still be able to define observables which are finite in
this limit.

Arnold Neumaier
Jun22-04, 04:46 PM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>David wrote:\n&gt; This seems like a question I should know the answer to.\n&gt;\n&gt; Can anyone suggest what can be said about (say) 0+1 dimensional\n&gt; quantum mechanics in the limit where kinetic terms are suppressed?\n&gt; Although individual Feynman diagrams seemingly diverge, I suppose that\n&gt; one should still be able to define observables which are finite in\n&gt; this limit.\n\nThis is just the infinite mass limit of a system. The system becomes\nvery slow and behaves essentially classically, if started in a coherent\nstate.\n\n\nArnold Neumaier\n\n\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form">&nbsp;&nbsp;View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>David wrote:
> This seems like a question I should know the answer to.
>
> Can anyone suggest what can be said about (say) 0+1 dimensional
> quantum mechanics in the limit where kinetic terms are suppressed?
> Although individual Feynman diagrams seemingly diverge, I suppose that
> one should still be able to define observables which are finite in
> this limit.

This is just the infinite mass limit of a system. The system becomes
very slow and behaves essentially classically, if started in a coherent
state.


Arnold Neumaier

David
Jun28-04, 12:10 PM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\n\n\nArnold Neumaier &lt;Arnold.Neumaier@univie.ac.at&gt; wrote in message news:&lt;cba9bj\\$u0r\\$1@lfa222122.richmond.edu&gt;...\ n\n&gt; David wrote:\n\n&gt; &gt; Can anyone suggest what can be said about (say) 0+1 dimensional\n&gt; &gt; quantum mechanics in the limit where kinetic terms are suppressed?\n\n&gt; This is just the infinite mass limit of a system. The system becomes\n&gt; very slow and behaves essentially classically, if started in a coherent\n&gt; state.\n\nI think I have become confused, because carrying out this process\nwould naively seem to result in a non-propagating theory in which the\nwavefunction converges to \\delta(x_0) for all time, for a particle\nwhich has initial conditions x=x_0 at t=t_0. But, this isn\'t what I\nwould like to understand as a classical limit, in which I would prefer\nkinetic terms to be still present. Have I misunderstood?\n\nDespite my confusion, then, am I correct in supposing that the\namplitude for a particle to propagate from x_a to x_b, in a quantum\ntheory without kinetic terms, is just \\delta(x_a - x_b), appropriately\nnormalized by the volume of space?\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form">&nbsp;&nbsp;View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>Arnold Neumaier <Arnold.Neumaier@univie.ac.at> wrote in message news:<cba9bj$u0r$1@lfa222122.richmond.edu>...

> David wrote:

> > Can anyone suggest what can be said about (say) 0+1 dimensional
> > quantum mechanics in the limit where kinetic terms are suppressed?

> This is just the infinite mass limit of a system. The system becomes
> very slow and behaves essentially classically, if started in a coherent
> state.

I think I have become confused, because carrying out this process
would naively seem to result in a non-propagating theory in which the
wavefunction converges to \delta(x_0) for all time, for a particle
which has initial conditions x=x_0 at t=t_0. But, this isn't what I
would like to understand as a classical limit, in which I would prefer
kinetic terms to be still present. Have I misunderstood?

Despite my confusion, then, am I correct in supposing that the
amplitude for a particle to propagate from x_a to x_b, in a quantum
theory without kinetic terms, is just \delta(x_a - x_b), appropriately
normalized by the volume of space?

Arnold Neumaier
Jun29-04, 05:49 PM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>David wrote:\n&gt; Arnold Neumaier &lt;Arnold.Neumaier@univie.ac.at&gt; wrote in message news:&lt;cba9bj\\$u0r\\$1@lfa222122.richmond.edu&gt;...\ n&gt;\n&gt;&gt;David wrote:\n&gt;\n&gt;&gt;&gt;Can anyone suggest what can be said about (say) 0+1 dimensional\n&gt;&gt;&gt;quantum mechanics in the limit where kinetic terms are suppressed?\n&gt;\n&gt;&gt;This is just the infinite mass limit of a system. The system becomes\n&gt;&gt;very slow and behaves essentially classically, if started in a coherent\n&gt;&gt;state.\n&gt;\n&gt;\n&gt; I think I have become confused, because carrying out this process\n&gt; would naively seem to result in a non-propagating theory in which the\n&gt; wavefunction converges to \\delta(x_0) for all time, for a particle\n&gt; which has initial conditions x=x_0 at t=t_0.\n\nOf course, if you have an object with truly infinite mass, one needs an\ninfinite amount of energy to move it. The classical behavior appears in\nthe case where the mass is just very large. Infinite mass (i.e., no kinetic\nterm) is unphysical.\n\n&gt; But, this isn\'t what I\n&gt; would like to understand as a classical limit, in which I would prefer\n&gt; kinetic terms to be still present. Have I misunderstood?\n&gt;\n&gt; Despite my confusion, then, am I correct in supposing that the\n&gt; amplitude for a particle to propagate from x_a to x_b, in a quantum\n&gt; theory without kinetic terms, is just \\delta(x_a - x_b), appropriately\n&gt; normalized by the volume of space?\n\nThe explicit solution of the Schroedinger equation\ni hbar psidot(x) = V(x) psi(x)\nwith psi = psi_0 at t=0 is\npsi(x,t)= exp(-i t V(x)/hbar) psi_0(x),\nwhich is boring.\n\n\nArnold Neumaier\n\n\n\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form">&nbsp;&nbsp;View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>David wrote:
> Arnold Neumaier <Arnold.Neumaier@univie.ac.at> wrote in message news:<cba9bj$u0r$1@lfa222122.richmond.edu>...
>
>>David wrote:
>
>>>Can anyone suggest what can be said about (say) 0+1 dimensional
>>>quantum mechanics in the limit where kinetic terms are suppressed?
>
>>This is just the infinite mass limit of a system. The system becomes
>>very slow and behaves essentially classically, if started in a coherent
>>state.
>
>
> I think I have become confused, because carrying out this process
> would naively seem to result in a non-propagating theory in which the
> wavefunction converges to \delta(x_0) for all time, for a particle
> which has initial conditions x=x_0 at t=t_0.

Of course, if you have an object with truly infinite mass, one needs an
infinite amount of energy to move it. The classical behavior appears in
the case where the mass is just very large. Infinite mass (i.e., no kinetic
term) is unphysical.

> But, this isn't what I
> would like to understand as a classical limit, in which I would prefer
> kinetic terms to be still present. Have I misunderstood?
>
> Despite my confusion, then, am I correct in supposing that the
> amplitude for a particle to propagate from x_a to x_b, in a quantum
> theory without kinetic terms, is just \delta(x_a - x_b), appropriately
> normalized by the volume of space?

The explicit solution of the Schroedinger equation
i \hbar psidot(x) = V(x) \psi(x)
with \psi = \psi_0 at t=0 is
\psi(x,t)= \exp(-i t V(x)/\hbar) \psi_0(x),
which is boring.


Arnold Neumaier