Understanding Theory: Solving Real Number Problems with Ease

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving problems related to real numbers, specifically focusing on the properties of the greatest integer function (floor function) and inequalities involving real numbers. Participants seek clarification and assistance in proving specific mathematical statements.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for help in proving two statements involving the greatest integer function and inequalities with real numbers.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of the notation [alpha], suggesting it cannot be the absolute value due to the falsehood of the statements.
  • A different participant proposes that [alpha] refers to the floor function and discusses a brute force method for proving the first statement by considering cases based on the fractional part of alpha.
  • Another participant suggests a method for proving the second statement by expressing alpha as the sum of an integer and a fractional part.
  • A later reply acknowledges redundancy in a previous suggestion and clarifies the meaning of the notation as the greatest integer function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the notation [alpha] as the greatest integer function, but there is no consensus on the best method to prove the initial statements, with different approaches being proposed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the properties of the greatest integer function and the conditions under which the proposed proofs hold. Some participants express uncertainty about the clarity of the proofs and the definitions involved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and individuals interested in mathematical proofs, particularly those involving real numbers and the greatest integer function.

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i know I've only been on for couple of months, but i was always afraid of asking for help. thanks to this site, i now understand all of this theory stuff!

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prove that [alpha] + [alpha + 1/3] + [alpha + 2/3] = [3 alpha] for all reals alpha.

prove [alpha] + [beta] <= [alpha + beta] alpha/beta are real.

i honestly do not know what to do for these, could anyone provide a beacon of light?
 
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And what does [alpha] mean? Can't be the absolute value of alpha, since none of those statements are true then.
 
i suspect it means floor. the second on requires no proof being quite obvious, the first one, hmm, i can't think of anything other than a brute force way of doing it; someone must be able to spot a nice argument for it. In case 1+1=1 is wondering, the brute force method is to let alpha = n+r where r is a number in the interval [0,1) there are then three cases to consider, r in [0,1/3), [1/3,2/3) and [2/3,1) and so that [alpha]=n.
 
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1. Consider x - [x] in [0,1/3) , [1/3, 2/3) and [2/3, 1) and prove separately for each case. Perhaps this is what matt means by 'brute force'...

2. The "no proof" for this could be done by writing alpha = N + n, where N is an integer and n is in [0,1).

EDIT : Didn't read matt's post completely - this is redundant.
 
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sorry all as i said i am new and i still need to do A LOT of clarifying. the [] means the greatest integer. as far as the brute force, that is the least painful way of doing this? i appreciate all of this! yes i do understand the brute force method.
 

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