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Interesting Video.
Just when you think you've seen/heard it all.
Just when you think you've seen/heard it all.
It's a rather strange video.
Ahmadinejad has always gotten along fine with anti-Zionists from what I've seen of him anyway, be they Jews or otherwise. He even hosted some anti-Zionist Jews at what many called the "Holocaust denial conference", where they came to confront the deniers with the facts. Here is a video of an interview with one who went (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9209384689804807271&ei=j8jBSodS0riVB_781NwG&q=holocaust+iran+jews&hl=en#), unfortunately the audio quality is awful, but I recommend suffering though it to hear a perspective I doubt many here have.
That interviewer on Faux news is such a bozo. He can't shut up for 5 seconds to save his life.
I'm fairly sure the Foxnews guy was doing exactly the job which he was assigned to.
I think they lost him when they mentioned the holocaust.
I think they lost him when they mentioned the holocaust.
I get the impression Ahmadinejad lost you when he mentioned "The Holocaust", or more likely some handwaving from others got in the way. Despite popular opinion, Ahmadinejad acknolages the Nazi genocide. For example, from this interview (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14911753/):
In the Second World War, over 60 million people lost their lives. They were all human beings. Why is it that only a select group of those who were killed have become so prominent and important?
That exemplifies his dispute; which is not with the fact that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews, but with how that genocide of Jews has been exalted over that of all the other groups Hitler deemed "sub-human" and murdered off, along with all the other people who lost their lives in the madness which was WWII. Later in the interview he explains his reason for taking issue with the way many perceive the Nazi's genocide against Jews:
The Palestinian people, their lives are being destroyed today under the pretext of the Holocaust. Their lands have been occupied, usurped. What is their fault? What are they to be blamed for? Are they not human beings? Do they have no rights? What role did they play in the Holocaust?
This is the same position on the matter which; the Right Honourable Sir Gerald Kaufman made in British Parliament (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8&feature=player_embedded), Norman Finkelstein holds and presented in detail in his book The Holocaust Industry (http://books.google.com/books?id=VrqK5VdO2i0C&dq=The+Holocaust+Industry&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=oWbCSvG9OIOplAeJ2Z3IBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false), and of course that of the Neturei Karta (http://www.nkusa.org/) members shown in the videos above, along with many others. Unfortunatly, many Zionist do whatever they can to discredit any such postion, inluding branding Ahmadinejad a "Holocaust denier". Some even absurdly do the same to Norman Finkelstein (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=norman+finkelstein+%22holocaust+denier%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=), despite the fact he was raised by survivors and is well versed in the facts.
Does this symbolize a stop in Nuclear Warfare
I should point out that I don't care for Ahmadinejad or the anti-zionist Jews that he was with, or the Palestinians, or Israelis. I just thought the clip was interesting and not something you see in western media.
russ_watters
Sep29-09, 09:40 PM
I get the impression Ahmadinejad lost you when he mentioned "The Holocaust", or more likely some handwaving from others got in the way. Despite popular opinion, Ahmadinejad acknolages the Nazi genocide. For example, from this interview (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14911753/):
That exemplifies his dispute; which is not with the fact that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews, but with how that genocide of Jews has been exalted over that of all the other groups Hitler deemed "sub-human" and murdered off, along with all the other people who lost their lives in the madness which was WWII. Later in the interview he explains his reason for taking issue with the way many perceive the Nazi's genocide against Jews:
This is the same position on the matter which; the Right Honourable Sir Gerald Kaufman made in British Parliament (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8&feature=player_embedded), Norman Finkelstein holds and presented in detail in his book The Holocaust Industry (http://books.google.com/books?id=VrqK5VdO2i0C&dq=The+Holocaust+Industry&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=oWbCSvG9OIOplAeJ2Z3IBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false), and of course that of the Neturei Karta (http://www.nkusa.org/) members shown in the videos above, along with many others. Unfortunatly, many Zionist do whatever they can to discredit any such postion, inluding branding Ahmadinejad a "Holocaust denier". Some even absurdly do the same to Norman Finkelstein (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=norman+finkelstein+%22holocaust+denier%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=), despite the fact he was raised by survivors and is well versed in the facts.
A-Jad likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth and he is quite skilled at it - and you only showed one side of what he says. With the other side of his mouth, he calls for debate, calls historians politically motivated and holds meetings with holocaust deniers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#Allegations_of_Holocaust_denia l_and_anti-Semitism
A-Jad likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth and he is quite skilled at it - and you only showed one side of what he says.
I consider talking out both sides of one's mouth a sign of affliction rather than a skill, but I am only able to show from that which I have seen.
...he calls for debate...
As one who believes nothing temporal is sacred, I don't see the duplicity you allege in that.
...calls historians politically motivated...
He said most are politically motivated, and I'm not rightly in a position to either substantiate or refute that claim. Are you?
...and holds meetings with holocaust deniers.
Yet he also includes people who don't deny anything of the sort, Orthodox rabbis no less, as I presented above. Why are you only acknowledging one side of that?
russ_watters
Sep30-09, 12:15 AM
I consider talking out both sides of one's mouth a sign of affliction rather than a skill.... Seriously? It is one of the critical skills that makes for a good politician! As one who believes nothing temporal is sacred, I don't see the duplicity you allege in that. You don't? Really? It's classic crackpot logic for people who want to challenge the mainstream. It's the primary argument used by creationists for inserting creationism into schools, for example. He wants to debate something that there is no reasonable debate to be had on. That's a clear sign of a crackpot. He said most are politically motivated, and I'm not rightly in a position to either substantiate or refute that claim. Are you? C'mon, kyleb. You're playing into his hand. Your line of argument simply isn't reasonable. There is no serious debate between historians over the major points of the holocaust and I think you know it. It has nothing to do with political bias. You're starting to sound like him!
Furthermore, his position on the subject is clearly motivated by political bias. The stated goal of that holocaust conference was to attack Israel regardless of whether the holocaust happened or not: According to the Iranian Foreign Minister: "If the official version of the Holocaust is thrown into doubt, then the identity and nature of Israel will be thrown into doubt. And if, during this review, it is proved that the Holocaust was a historical reality, then what is the reason for the Palestinians having to pay the cost of the Nazis' crimes?"[14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Review_the_Global_Visi on_of_the_Holocaust
So the point was really just to set up a forum for attacking Israel.
Yet he also includes people who don't deny anything of the sort, Orthodox rabbis no less, as I presented above. Why are you only acknowledging one side of that? I am pointing out the side that you didn't acknowledge. Why would I need to reiterate what you said? Caveat: I'm not sure any of those groups/people you pointed out really represent the mainstream view. The choices were clearly chosen to support the second half of the conference's motives: the 'even if the holocaust happened, Israel still shouldn't exist' part.
He sent a personal congratulation letter to Obama .. So, these kind of things are at least not new.
I think he will do anything to isolate Israel.
Could it be this discussion reveals that any Jewish person with the means and opportunity to live in Israel could be labeled an Antizionist Jew? Hence the significance of the meeting is diminished.
To summarize, under this working definition, Ahmadinejad met with Jewish persons who live in New York (and choose not to live in Israel) who expressed concern for the welfare and noted the contributions of Jews living in Iran. It's hardly newsworthy in this context.
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