Does the Corioulis force effect our blood cycle?

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The discussion revolves around the potential effects of the Coriolis force on the human blood cycle, exploring its relevance in various contexts including physics and biology. Participants examine the nature of the Coriolis force, its relationship with centrifugal force, and its implications in different scenarios, such as aviation and rotational dynamics.

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  • Some participants suggest that the Coriolis force could affect the blood cycle, but express skepticism about the ability to measure such effects.
  • Others argue that the Coriolis force does not have a noticeable impact on smaller scales, citing that significant effects are typically observed only at larger scales, such as with artillery shells.
  • A participant questions the relationship between the Coriolis force and centrifugal force, seeking clarification on their interactions in rotating frames.
  • It is noted that the Coriolis force acts at a right angle to the velocity of an object and the Earth's angular velocity, with its direction dependent on the hemisphere.
  • Some participants discuss the mathematical representation of angular velocity and its relevance to the Coriolis force, while others express confusion about the definitions and implications of radians and angular measurements.
  • There are references to Feynman's notes discussing the differences between centrifugal and Coriolis forces, emphasizing their distinct characteristics.
  • Participants engage in a discussion about the nature of radians, their definition, and their application in circular motion, with some seeking clarification on the concepts involved.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the significance of the Coriolis force in relation to the blood cycle, with multiple competing views and uncertainties expressed regarding its effects and measurements.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the definitions and relationships between various forces and measurements, indicating a need for further clarification on these topics. There are also unresolved questions about the applicability of relativity in the context of the discussion.

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Does the Corioulis force effect our blood cycle[?]
 
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It would but I doubt you would ever be able to measure it.

JMD
 
Not noticeably... you don't see significant effect from the Coriolis force except at very large scales, like with artillery shells. The maximum acceleration from Coriolis effects on the Earth is ~velocity/10,000 m/s^2, if that gives you an idea.
 
Does the Coriolis force, in any way, pertain to the centrifugal force of the earth? Should "Coriolis" even be capitalized? If so, why?
 
Originally posted by MajinVegeta
Does the Coriolis force, in any way, pertain to the centrifugal force of the earth?

You get a Coriolis acceleration in addition to Centrifugal for example on a plane flying round the Earth - that is when you have something moving inside a rotating frame. For the 'person on the equator' example, only a centrifugal acceleration is acting because he's standing still. If that's what you're asking? Happy to try to explain better/further if you want...
 
The Coriolis force tends to turn a vector clockwise in the Northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the Southern hemisphere, with a force proportional to the sine of the latitude. So it is zero at the equator, where latitude is 0o, because sine 0o = 0. And it is maximum at the poles, where latitude is 90o mbecause the sine function has its maximum there, where sine 90o = 1. At the poles the rate is (duh) 360o per 24 hours or 15o per hour.
 
Originally posted by Mulder
You get a Coriolis acceleration in addition to Centrifugal for example on a plane flying round the Earth - that is when you have something moving inside a rotating frame. For the 'person on the equator' example, only a centrifugal acceleration is acting because he's standing still. If that's what you're asking? Happy to try to explain better/further if you want...

The plane you described, how exactly is it effected by the Coriolis force? (I know it's experiencing free fall)
 
Some of http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/physics/ugrad/courses/mod_home/f31am1/coriolis.htm you may understand.

The Coriolis force acts at a right angle to the plane's velocity and the Earth's angular velocity. The right hand rule can be used to work out exactly which direction the force will be in - it depends on the direction of the plane. Just as an example, if a plane was in the Northern hemisphere, flying North, then the Coriolis force would act on the plane in a Easterly(!oops) direction (aswell as Centrifugal acting away from the surface of the Earth). You will probably need some understanding of the basics of vectors to fully know why, but just check out the link and then come back and ask more if you want
 
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Is the "w" always defined as the wave front? I read in my book, "relativity beyond eintsien", that it is defined as the wave front relative to a Newtonian co-ordinate system, K0.
 
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The 'w' here in '-2mw x v' is the angular velocity of the Earth ie the Earths velocity / Earth radius, a constant 7.27e-05 radians per second. Forget relativity, this is good ole' Mechanics :smile:
 
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Centrifugal force vis-a-vis Coreolis force!

Originally posted by MajinVegeta
Does the Coriolis force, in any way, pertain to the centrifugal force of the earth? Should "Coriolis" even be capitalized? If so, why?

Hi MV,

In Feynman notes Vol I Chapter 19 Richard points out that Centrifugal force is radial while Coriolis Force is tangential. In Chap 20 of Vol I he gets real when he reminds us that because angular momentum is a dipolar phenomenon, interaction with other dipoles demands vector cross-product, which gives perpendicular torque when the loop is inertial and perpendicular dipolar magnetism when the loop is electrostatic.
Most every High School Physics Lab has a bicycle wheel with a handle on each side of its axle. When you spin it and try to turn it, it tugs noticably to bend sidways toward the floor. Cheers, jim
 
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In Feynman notes Vol I Chapter 19 Richard points out that Centrifugal force is radial while Coriolis Force is tangential.

What does it mean by "Coriolis force is tangential"? My definition of tangent is a dent.

In Chap 20 of Vol I he gets real when he reminds us that because angular momentum is a dipolar phenomenon, interaction with other dipoles demands vector cross-product, which gives perpendicular torque when the loop is inertial and perpendicular dipolar magnetism when the loop is electrostatic.

First off, I have zero knowledge of dipoles. I don't know anything about biophysics.
 
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Originally posted by Mulder
The 'w' here in '-2mw x v' is the angular velocity of the Earth ie the Earths velocity / Earth radius, a constant 7.27e-05 radians per second. Forget relativity, this is good ole' Mechanics :smile:

How do you know when relativity is involved and when it isn't?

Also, isn't K0 Newtonian mechanics?

-2mw x v

so the -2 is multiplied by the mass, and then velocity/earth's radius? and then x, position and velocity are sort of left out, so what does that indicate?

Can you referesh my memory about radians? I believe 1 radian=[pi]r2/circumference?? something like that...
 
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A radian is a measurement of angle.

One radian is the distance around the circumference which is equal to the radius of the circle.

So if you have a circle of radius 2, start at one point on the circumference, and start walking, you will have traveled an angle of one radian when you have walked a distance of 2.

In the grand scheme of things, relativity is always involved. For most human sized problems (which means speeds up to the order of 10000s of km/hour, distances on the orders 10,000s of km), relativity can be completely ignored because it has such a tiny effect.
 
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So if you have a circle of radius 2, start at one point on the circumference, and start walking, you will have traveled an angle of one radian when you have walked a distance of 2.

so the radius=radian?? Hmm...not from what I remember. So I must have misunderstood. Can you give me the formula? (it'd give me a better idea)
 
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radian, like grad or degree ,measures angle

Originally posted by MajinVegeta
so the radius=radian?? Hmm...not from what I remember. So I must have misunderstood. Can you give me the formula? (it'd give me a better idea)

Hi again MV,
the radius of the circle is a "length", the arc of curved length subtending the angle identified as a radian has a length equal to one radius long. There are 2 x 3.14159-- radian angles in a full circle, and there are 2 x 3.14159- radius lengths in the circumference of the circle.
Cheers, Jim
 
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Sorry, I must not have been too clear.

The radian is not the radius.

Cut out a 1 radian piece of a circle. Take the remaining piece of the circumference. If you stretch that arc out so it's straight, it will be the same length as the radius is.
 
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But there is a formula! Isn't it circumference/radius?
 
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A formula for what?

There are 2*pi radians in a circle. The arclength of an arc subtended by an angle is equal to the angle in radians * the radius.
 

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