<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\nHi All,\n\nI\'m writing for some advise. I have graduated from Manchester University\nwith my MPhys Physics With Theoretical Physics degree. Now I have been\nlooking for a job in the Greater Manchester area for almost two years now\nand am starting to give up on the idea. I would like something in physicsie\nbut now I would consider anything technical.\n\nWhat I want to know is which agencies can I join that will help me find\nphysics related work in the Manchester or surrounding area? I have joined\nsome but they have been useless. Are there any other routes I can take?\n\nThanks in advance for any help.\n\nNaveed\n\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>Hi All,
I'm writing for some advise. I have graduated from Manchester University
with my MPhys Physics With Theoretical Physics degree. Now I have been
looking for a job in the Greater Manchester area for almost two years now
and am starting to give up on the idea. I would like something in physicsie
but now I would consider anything technical.
What I want to know is which agencies can I join that will help me find
physics related work in the Manchester or surrounding area? I have joined
some but they have been useless. Are there any other routes I can take?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Naveed
Patrick Van Esch
Jul23-04, 06:34 AM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\n"MNQ" <corlioni1976REMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<cdomk2\\$821\\$1@rdel.co.uk>...\n\n> What I want to know is which agencies can I join that will help me find\n> physics related work in the Manchester or surrounding area?\n\nHonestly it is already difficult enough to secure a physics related\njob ANYWHERE, so if on top of that you put severe geographical limits\nI\'m not sure you\'re gonna find anything... except maybe in teaching.\nHave a look at http://www.eteach.com\n\ncheers,\nPatrick.\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>"MNQ" <corlioni1976REMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<cdomk2$821$1@rdel.co.uk>...
> What I want to know is which agencies can I join that will help me find
> physics related work in the Manchester or surrounding area?
Honestly it is already difficult enough to secure a physics related
job ANYWHERE, so if on top of that you put severe geographical limits
I'm not sure you're gonna find anything... except maybe in teaching.
Have a look at http://www.eteach.com
cheers,
Patrick.
Gerard Westendorp
Jul25-04, 09:16 AM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\n\nMNQ wrote:\n\n> Hi All,\n>\n> I\'m writing for some advise. I have graduated from Manchester University\n> with my MPhys Physics With Theoretical Physics degree. Now I have been\n> looking for a job in the Greater Manchester area for almost two years now\n> and am starting to give up on the idea. I would like something in physicsie\n> but now I would consider anything technical.\n>\n> What I want to know is which agencies can I join that will help me find\n> physics related work in the Manchester or surrounding area? I have joined\n> some but they have been useless. Are there any other routes I can take?\n>\n> Thanks in advance for any help.\n\n\nMy experience, working in industry as a physicist for about 18 years\nnow, is that there is actually a lot more use for physics than people\nrealize. The problem is, they ("they" = the people you\'ve been up\nagainst the past 2 years) don\'t realize it.\n\nThe most obvious route to employment is to go to the universities, the\ninstitutes, the big companies. This may not be a bad option, but I\nwrite this to tell about other options. Small companies have lots\nof interesting little problems that you could solve, but they don\'t\nhave the culture to employ a physicist. For example, right now I\nam looking at the energy needed to compress a pig feed pellet.\nPerhaps not something you would think of studying, but then,\nthink how much pig feed is sold, how much energy this costs,\nand how much do you think you could save by being slightly\nsmarter than others have been till now? This is just one example\nof an application, but there are may others. But you need to\nconvince people that there are opportunities out there. This is\nnot easy, but if you have good ideas, I think you must be\nable to convince somebody. MAnchester id the birth place of the\nindustrial revolution, ther must be somebody smart left out\nthere.\n\nJust thought of something: Isn\'t Dyson, that new vacuum cleaner\nguru-inventor, living near you? He is the sort of person who\nunderstands that physics will help make better products, if applied\nin the right way.\n\nA third options is to start a small company yourself, maybe with\na few others. If you can find something trendy, it is amazing\nhow much subsidies you can get. Especially enery saving stuff,\nlet\'s say underground heat storage combined with hydroelectric\npower biogas, bla,bla.. I could spit out 100 ideas, but you\'ll\nhave to think it out yourself, because it will depend on the\nlocal opportunities near you.\n\nI should mention that what I am describing would be called\n"dirty physics". This means that you have to to a bit more\napproximating, assuming and guessing than you have been\nprobably been taught. Some people don\'t like it. I you are\none of them, you will probably go crazy doing the work I\ndescribe here.\n\nI make this sound easy, but I admit it was very hard for me too\n20 years ago.\n\n\nGerard\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>MNQ wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm writing for some advise. I have graduated from Manchester University
> with my MPhys Physics With Theoretical Physics degree. Now I have been
> looking for a job in the Greater Manchester area for almost two years now
> and am starting to give up on the idea. I would like something in physicsie
> but now I would consider anything technical.
>
> What I want to know is which agencies can I join that will help me find
> physics related work in the Manchester or surrounding area? I have joined
> some but they have been useless. Are there any other routes I can take?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
My experience, working in industry as a physicist for about 18 years
now, is that there is actually a lot more use for physics than people
realize. The problem is, they ("they" = the people you've been up
against the past 2 years) don't realize it.
The most obvious route to employment is to go to the universities, the
institutes, the big companies. This may not be a bad option, but I
write this to tell about other options. Small companies have lots
of interesting little problems that you could solve, but they don't
have the culture to employ a physicist. For example, right now I
am looking at the energy needed to compress a pig feed pellet.
Perhaps not something you would think of studying, but then,
think how much pig feed is sold, how much energy this costs,
and how much do you think you could save by being slightly
smarter than others have been till now? This is just one example
of an application, but there are may others. But you need to
convince people that there are opportunities out there. This is
not easy, but if you have good ideas, I think you must be
able to convince somebody. MAnchester id the birth place of the
industrial revolution, ther must be somebody smart left out
there.
Just thought of something: Isn't Dyson, that new vacuum cleaner
guru-inventor, living near you? He is the sort of person who
understands that physics will help make better products, if applied
in the right way.
A third options is to start a small company yourself, maybe with
a few others. If you can find something trendy, it is amazing
how much subsidies you can get. Especially enery saving stuff,
let's say underground heat storage combined with hydroelectric
power biogas, bla,bla.. I could spit out 100 ideas, but you'll
have to think it out yourself, because it will depend on the
local opportunities near you.
I should mention that what I am describing would be called
"dirty physics". This means that you have to to a bit more
approximating, assuming and guessing than you have been
probably been taught. Some people don't like it. I you are
one of them, you will probably go crazy doing the work I
describe here.
I make this sound easy, but I admit it was very hard for me too
20 years ago.
Gerard
Ian Taylor
Jul26-04, 04:41 AM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\n\n\n\n"MNQ" <corlioni1976REMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<cdomk2\\$821\\$1@rdel.co.uk>...\n> Hi All,\n>\n> I\'m writing for some advise. I have graduated from Manchester University\n> with my MPhys Physics With Theoretical Physics degree. Now I have been\n> looking for a job in the Greater Manchester area for almost two years now\n> and am starting to give up on the idea. I would like something in physicsie\n> but now I would consider anything technical.\n>\n> What I want to know is which agencies can I join that will help me find\n> physics related work in the Manchester or surrounding area? I have joined\n> some but they have been useless. Are there any other routes I can take?\n>\n> Thanks in advance for any help.\n>\n> Naveed\n\nHopefully, having done Theoretical Physics, you can look at a physical\nproblem, write down the relevant equations governing it, and solve\nthem (either analytically, although usually employing some physically\nrealistic approximations, or numerically, using computer code). This\nproblem solving capability is what you need to sell to people. If your\ncomputing is strong, this is a plus (FORTRAN is still widely used,\ndespite what some people think of it, and if you know any Visual\nBasic, or C++, that would be even better). There is a computer\nconsultancy in Warrington, called Tessella, that may be worth applying\nto. Alternatively cast the net further afield - it is probably easier\nto get a physics related job down south (London, Cambridge etc).\n\nHope this helps\n\nIan Taylor\nChester\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>"MNQ" <corlioni1976REMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<cdomk2$821$1@rdel.co.uk>...
> Hi All,
>
> I'm writing for some advise. I have graduated from Manchester University
> with my MPhys Physics With Theoretical Physics degree. Now I have been
> looking for a job in the Greater Manchester area for almost two years now
> and am starting to give up on the idea. I would like something in physicsie
> but now I would consider anything technical.
>
> What I want to know is which agencies can I join that will help me find
> physics related work in the Manchester or surrounding area? I have joined
> some but they have been useless. Are there any other routes I can take?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Naveed
Hopefully, having done Theoretical Physics, you can look at a physical
problem, write down the relevant equations governing it, and solve
them (either analytically, although usually employing some physically
realistic approximations, or numerically, using computer code). This
problem solving capability is what you need to sell to people. If your
computing is strong, this is a plus (FORTRAN is still widely used,
despite what some people think of it, and if you know any Visual
Basic, or C++, that would be even better). There is a computer
consultancy in Warrington, called Tessella, that may be worth applying
to. Alternatively cast the net further afield - it is probably easier
to get a physics related job down south (London, Cambridge etc).
Hope this helps
Ian Taylor
Chester
Oz
Jul26-04, 01:07 PM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\nGerard Westendorp <westy31@xs4all.nl> writes\n\n>For example, right now I\n>am looking at the energy needed to compress a pig feed pellet.\n>Perhaps not something you would think of studying, but then,\n>think how much pig feed is sold, how much energy this costs,\n>and how much do you think you could save by being slightly\n>smarter than others have been till now?\n\nI couldn\'t agree more, although agriculture probably has more\nopportunities than any other endeavour for a bit of profitable use of\nphysics. Pity its essentially heading for extinction in the UK.\n\nThe reason for this is that almost nothing you buy works properly, much\nis poorly designed and the automation (where present) has been clearly\ndesigned by a chimpanzee.\n\nProbably, if I knew more about other industries, this would be\nwidespread throughout all sorts of industries, including many service\nindustries. If it pays a small-time farmer (and it does) to modify or\ncompletely redesign commercially supplied equipment, it really ought to\nfor other industries.\n\n>This is just one example\n>of an application, but there are may others. But you need to\n>convince people that there are opportunities out there.\n\nSee http://www.cambridgeconsultants.com/\nA few decades ago this was a two man band set up by a pair of unemployed\ngraduates. I could name you others (eg arcam).\nIts a long hard haul but..\n\n> This is\n>not easy, but if you have good ideas, I think you must be\n>able to convince somebody. MAnchester id the birth place of the\n>industrial revolution, ther must be somebody smart left out\n>there.\n\nHopefully not many, thus leaving an opening for one who is.\n\n>A third options is to start a small company yourself, maybe with\n>a few others. If you can find something trendy,\n\n>I should mention that what I am describing would be called\n>"dirty physics". This means that you have to to a bit more\n> approximating, assuming and guessing than you have been\n>probably been taught.\n\nYes and no, IMHO.\nYou need a reasonable safety margin. That way lies reliability and it\ncovers any gaffes (sorry, approximations) you might make. However\ncareful thoughtful design really does pay, however simple the solution.\n\nAn example:\nDesign me a boiler, capable of taking 200L of very hard water to 90C in\nfour hours (ie off peak) daily, and not failing due to scale buildup. If\nyou can think right through this problem, and come up with a\n**complete** solution (no omissions) first time then this sort of thing\nis for you. Needs thought, not complex.\n\n>Some people don\'t like it. I you are\n>one of them, you will probably go crazy doing the work I\n>describe here.\n\nIf you do like it though, its a gas....\n\n--\nOz\nThis post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.\n\nBTOPENWORLD address about to cease. DEMON address no longer in use.\n>>Use oz@farmeroz.port995.com<<\nozacoohdb@despammed.com still functions.\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>Gerard Westendorp <westy31@xs4all.nl> writes
>For example, right now I
>am looking at the energy needed to compress a pig feed pellet.
>Perhaps not something you would think of studying, but then,
>think how much pig feed is sold, how much energy this costs,
>and how much do you think you could save by being slightly
>smarter than others have been till now?
I couldn't agree more, although agriculture probably has more
opportunities than any other endeavour for a bit of profitable use of
physics. Pity its essentially heading for extinction in the UK.
The reason for this is that almost nothing you buy works properly, much
is poorly designed and the automation (where present) has been clearly
designed by a chimpanzee.
Probably, if I knew more about other industries, this would be
widespread throughout all sorts of industries, including many service
industries. If it pays a small-time farmer (and it does) to modify or
completely redesign commercially supplied equipment, it really ought to
for other industries.
>This is just one example
>of an application, but there are may others. But you need to
>convince people that there are opportunities out there.
See http://www.cambridgeconsultants.com/
A few decades ago this was a two man band set up by a pair of unemployed
graduates. I could name you others (eg arcam).
Its a long hard haul but..
> This is
>not easy, but if you have good ideas, I think you must be
>able to convince somebody. MAnchester id the birth place of the
>industrial revolution, ther must be somebody smart left out
>there.
Hopefully not many, thus leaving an opening for one who is.
>A third options is to start a small company yourself, maybe with
>a few others. If you can find something trendy,
>I should mention that what I am describing would be called
>"dirty physics". This means that you have to to a bit more
> approximating, assuming and guessing than you have been
>probably been taught.
Yes and no, IMHO.
You need a reasonable safety margin. That way lies reliability and it
covers any gaffes (sorry, approximations) you might make. However
careful thoughtful design really does pay, however simple the solution.
An example:
Design me a boiler, capable of taking 200L of very hard water to 90C in
four hours (ie off peak) daily, and not failing due to scale buildup. If
you can think right through this problem, and come up with a
**complete** solution (no omissions) first time then this sort of thing
is for you. Needs thought, not complex.
>Some people don't like it. I you are
>one of them, you will probably go crazy doing the work I
>describe here.
If you do like it though, its a gas....
--
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.
BTOPENWORLD address about to cease. DEMON address no longer in use.
>>Use oz@farmeroz.port995.com<<
ozacoohdb@despammed.com still functions.
Gerard Westendorp
Aug16-04, 01:55 PM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\n\nOz wrote:\n\n[applied physics opertunities in agriculture]\n\n\n> I couldn\'t agree more, although agriculture probably has more\n> opportunities than any other endeavour for a bit of profitable use of\n> physics. Pity its essentially heading for extinction in the UK.\n>\n> The reason for this is that almost nothing you buy works properly, much\n> is poorly designed and the automation (where present) has been clearly\n> designed by a chimpanzee.\n>\n> Probably, if I knew more about other industries, this would be\n> widespread throughout all sorts of industries, including many service\n> industries. If it pays a small-time farmer (and it does) to modify or\n> completely redesign commercially supplied equipment, it really ought to\n> for other industries.\n\nYes, I know quite a few examples where products designers should have\nthought a bit better about physics. Most products are much noisier than\nnecesary, for example. If only they would understand acoustics...\n\n[..]\n\n>>This is\n>>not easy, but if you have good ideas, I think you must be\n>>able to convince somebody. MAnchester id the birth place of the\n>>industrial revolution, ther must be somebody smart left out\n>>there.\n>>\n>\n> Hopefully not many, thus leaving an opening for one who is.\n\n\nBut it will be hard to find work in an environment where nobody\nunderstands physics. People will simply not know what you are\ntalking about. You need a few "friends". But OK, not so many that\nall interesting work is already being done.\n\n[..]\n\n> An example:\n> Design me a boiler, capable of taking 200L of very hard water to 90C in\n> four hours (ie off peak) daily, and not failing due to scale buildup. If\n> you can think right through this problem, and come up with a\n> **complete** solution (no omissions) first time then this sort of thing\n> is for you. Needs thought, not complex.\n\n\nApart from a smart design, here is some suggestion of how you could\ngive this problem a physics flavor.\n\nYou want to know how scale builds up. The chemical equilibria are\nprobably well known. Knowledge of these will come in handy for\nunderstanding the temperature dependence of scale build up.\nYou would expect a dependency something like ~ exp( -H/RT).\n\nThe next step for scale build up is that particles have to\nattach to the wall rather than to be swept away with the flow.\nSo you can do some nice experiments to see how scaling depends\nof (the Reynolds number?) of the flow through a tube.\n\nA third phenomenon to understand is time dependent thermal cycling.\nAs the the geometry expands and contracts, the scale can either get\ncompacted, or it can be flaked off. A convex shape will behave\ndifferent than a concave shape.\n\nBy doing experiments combined with some modeling, you could greatly\nhelp your collegues if you could make some simplified model that\ntells you the rarte of scaling as a function of the most important\nparameters.\n\nBut you do need a few people around you that can eventually be\nconvinced that this is helpful. Sometimes you will just be too\nmuch on an island, you need to find some "fertile ground" for\nyour ideas.\n\n\nGerard\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>Oz wrote:
[applied physics opertunities in agriculture]
> I couldn't agree more, although agriculture probably has more
> opportunities than any other endeavour for a bit of profitable use of
> physics. Pity its essentially heading for extinction in the UK.
>
> The reason for this is that almost nothing you buy works properly, much
> is poorly designed and the automation (where present) has been clearly
> designed by a chimpanzee.
>
> Probably, if I knew more about other industries, this would be
> widespread throughout all sorts of industries, including many service
> industries. If it pays a small-time farmer (and it does) to modify or
> completely redesign commercially supplied equipment, it really ought to
> for other industries.
Yes, I know quite a few examples where products designers should have
thought a bit better about physics. Most products are much noisier than
necesary, for example. If only they would understand acoustics...
[..]
>>This is
>>not easy, but if you have good ideas, I think you must be
>>able to convince somebody. MAnchester id the birth place of the
>>industrial revolution, ther must be somebody smart left out
>>there.
>>
>
> Hopefully not many, thus leaving an opening for one who is.
But it will be hard to find work in an environment where nobody
understands physics. People will simply not know what you are
talking about. You need a few "friends". But OK, not so many that
all interesting work is already being done.
[..]
> An example:
> Design me a boiler, capable of taking 200L of very hard water to 90C in
> four hours (ie off peak) daily, and not failing due to scale buildup. If
> you can think right through this problem, and come up with a
> **complete** solution (no omissions) first time then this sort of thing
> is for you. Needs thought, not complex.
Apart from a smart design, here is some suggestion of how you could
give this problem a physics flavor.
You want to know how scale builds up. The chemical equilibria are
probably well known. Knowledge of these will come in handy for
understanding the temperature dependence of scale build up.
You would expect a dependency something like ~ \exp( -H/RT).
The next step for scale build up is that particles have to
attach to the wall rather than to be swept away with the flow.
So you can do some nice experiments to see how scaling depends
of (the Reynolds number?) of the flow through a tube.
A third phenomenon to understand is time dependent thermal cycling.
As the the geometry expands and contracts, the scale can either get
compacted, or it can be flaked off. A convex shape will behave
different than a concave shape.
By doing experiments combined with some modeling, you could greatly
help your collegues if you could make some simplified model that
tells you the rarte of scaling as a function of the most important
parameters.
But you do need a few people around you that can eventually be
convinced that this is helpful. Sometimes you will just be too
much on an island, you need to find some "fertile ground" for
your ideas.