Length contraction and field theory

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of length contraction in the context of quantum field theory, exploring whether length contraction could be quantized and how this might relate to mass and observer-dependent properties in physics. Participants examine theoretical implications, mathematical formulations, and the compatibility of these ideas with established principles of special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if length contraction were quantized, a particle could maintain a constant radius for different observers, potentially aiding in formulating a quantum field theory.
  • Others argue that length contraction is an inherent effect due to the constant speed of light, which applies universally to all observers, regardless of any proposed quantization.
  • A participant suggests that if mass is also quantized, the product of mass and radius could remain constant for all observers, introducing a notion of invariance.
  • There is a contention regarding the concept of quantized mass, with some asserting that mass must evolve according to special relativity, and that any quantization would not eliminate the effects of velocity on mass.
  • One participant introduces a mathematical expression for quantized mass and radius, attempting to clarify their earlier statements.
  • Another participant questions the validity of claiming invariance independent of velocity, emphasizing that velocity remains a critical factor in the discussion.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of contraction to zero radius at the speed of light, with suggestions for alternative formulations that could avoid this issue.
  • A proposal is made to use a modified equation for length and mass that includes a small constant to prevent mass from becoming infinite, suggesting a potential basis for a field theory involving non-point-like electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the nature of length contraction and quantization, with no consensus reached on the validity of these concepts or their implications for quantum field theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their arguments, including the dependence on definitions of mass and length, the unresolved nature of certain mathematical steps, and the implications of special relativity on their proposed models.

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If length contraction was quantized, then a particle of a given radius could have a constant radius for many observers moving at different speeds.
Could such a particle be used to formulate a quantum field theory?
 
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No , the contraction would still occur, only in different scales depending on the speed of the observer. The effect of length-contraction cannot be excluded because it is due to the universal property of a constant lightspeed. This counts for every observer, regardless of the speed or even the quantization-procedure you wish to execute...
 
Provided mass is quantized too, the quantity mass x radius would be a constant for all observers regardless of velocity.
This is a kind of invariance.
 
kurious said:
Provided mass is quantized too, the quantity mass x radius would be a constant for all observers regardless of velocity.
This is a kind of invariance.


hmmm, quantized mass?
I think not, mass has to evolve conform the special relativity. Even if the restmass was to be quantized, then still you cannot exclude the effects coming from de 1/sqrt(1-(v/c)²)-term for the mass. this term ,as a pointed out before, comes from the fact that c is an universal constant.

If you want to achieve your goals, you would have to give up the constant lightspeed value

Einstein would be turning himself in his grave...
 
By quantized mass I meant 1 / (1 -nv^2/c^2)^1/2
where n is an integer and similar for the radius
 
Well ok, but as i see it you still cannot say "independent of velocity" because of the v. So why would this be constant for each and every observer
 
Because Velocity = nv or V^2 = (nv)^2
v is constant and n is an integer that only increases
for a given observer if they are moving faster than a certain threshold speed.
 
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I think this is getting a little bit to vague.

this integer that only increases for ..., I don't buy that.

Still, your situation remains unchanged. There will still be contraction because there is a speed v. if v were to be 0 (not constant) than there is no contraction...
 
Let's use the idea of (mass x length) = constant.
No quantization.

Is the contraction to zero radius at c a problem?
If so then we can guess how to stop it.
One way would be just to write:

LENGTH = Rest Length x ( 1-v^2/c^2 + small constant)^1/2

if mass = m0 / ( 1-v^2/c^2 + small constant)^1/2

then:
(mass x length) = m0 / ( 1-v^2/c^2 + small constant) x

Rest Length x ( 1-v^2/c^2 + small constant)^1/2

= constant = m0 x Rest length

Perhaps we can use this as a basis for a field theory with
an electron that has a radius and that is not point-like.

The small constant would mean that mass does not become infinite
but that it reaches a finite value and so rest masses can,in principle be accelerated to the speed of light.
 
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