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alistair
Aug12-04, 08:29 AM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\n\n\n\nAccording to H. Ziegler if the most fundamental components of mass\nmoved at the speed of light relativity theory would be a a natural\nconsequence and the Lorentz transformations would arise from this idea\nnaturally too.\nIs it the case that nobody has been able to show that Ziegler was\nwrong about this?\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form">&nbsp;&nbsp;View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>According to H. Ziegler if the most fundamental components of mass
moved at the speed of light relativity theory would be a a natural
consequence and the Lorentz transformations would arise from this idea
naturally too.
Is it the case that nobody has been able to show that Ziegler was
wrong about this?
tessel@tum.bot
Aug13-04, 05:41 AM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, alistair wrote:\n\n&gt; According to H. Ziegler\n\nCitation?\n\n&gt; if the most fundamental components of mass\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nD efinition?\n\nA general request, if I might:\n\nNonprofessionals are welcome to post questions here, but whenever\npossible, -please- use the same common courtesies professionals use in\ndiscussions among themselves. For example:\n\n1. if you are asking about the work of X on topic T, unless you have\nreason to think everyone will be familiar with X (e.g. if X = Einstein),\nplease offer a citation to some paper by X on T (if possible, choose a\npaper available on the ArXiV, or at least on the web),\n\n2. if you use a nonstandard term (I believe "fundamental components of\nmass" would qualify), give a precise definition, or at least make an\nattempt to give some idea of what the term means.\n\nThanks,\n\n"T. Essel" (trying to combat the steep decline in standards on this group)\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form">&nbsp;&nbsp;View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, alistair wrote:

> According to H. Ziegler

Citation?

> if the most fundamental components of mass
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Definition?

A general request, if I might:

Nonprofessionals are welcome to post questions here, but whenever
possible, -please- use the same common courtesies professionals use in
discussions among themselves. For example:

1. if you are asking about the work of X on topic T, unless you have
reason to think everyone will be familiar with X (e.g. if X = Einstein),
please offer a citation to some paper by X on T (if possible, choose a
paper available on the ArXiV, or at least on the web),

2. if you use a nonstandard term (I believe "fundamental components of
mass" would qualify), give a precise definition, or at least make an
attempt to give some idea of what the term means.

Thanks,

"T. Essel" (trying to combat the steep decline in standards on this group)