vernonner3voltazim
Aug30-04, 03:25 PM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>I am informed that Quantum Mechanics assumes that the\nvirtual photons responsible for electric charge (and\nother phenomena not needing to be discussed here)\ntravel INSTANTLY in-between two charged particles.\nDoes the math HAVE to work that way? How can such\na claim be proved, anyway?\n\nCertain other forum discussions have considered the\nissue of a Black Hole swallowing a charged particle.\nHow do the virtual photons get OUT of the hole, to\ntell the Universe that the hole is now charged, if\nordinary photons cannot get out? Sure, FTL virtual\nphotons would do the trick. The math says so!\nBut what is the EVIDENCE?\n\nHere is a thought-experiment, perhaps one day to be\nsimplified for the laboratory. Start with a nice\n"clean" neutron star. No accretion disk, no messy\nspin, electrically neutral, etcetera. Now let us\nplace an "electret" in a nice circular orbit. If\nyou don\'t know what an electret is, it is just an\ninsulated object that is given a static electric\ncharge, so it has a persisting electric field the\nway a permanent magnet has a static magnetic field.\n\nNext, let\'s spray a known quantity of same-charge\nparticles at the neutron star. We can put a decent\nnumber there, thanks to gravitation. Obviously the\nelectric charge on the star will influence the\norbital path of the electret. We can compute what\nthe effect is SUPPOSED to be, based on FTL virtual\nphotons.\n\nBut in the real world, with the gravitation of the\nneutron star a factor, we might obtain different\nresults. Suppose the virtual photons responsible\nfor electric charge actually travel at ordinary\nlightspeed? Then they would be red-shifted in\nescaping the neutron star! That SHOULD make for\na lessening of the electric force between charged\nstar and electret. And of course it would mean\nthat charges swallowed by black holes simply\ndisappear. Not to worry -- "violation" of\nConservation of Charge would only be temporary!\nWith an unbalanced charge left in the Universe,\nelectric repulsion would encourage other particles\nto get swallowed by a black hole. Balance restored!\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>I am informed that Quantum Mechanics assumes that the
virtual photons responsible for electric charge (and
other phenomena not needing to be discussed here)
travel INSTANTLY in-between two charged particles.
Does the math HAVE to work that way? How can such
a claim be proved, anyway?
Certain other forum discussions have considered the
issue of a Black Hole swallowing a charged particle.
How do the virtual photons get OUT of the hole, to
tell the Universe that the hole is now charged, if
ordinary photons cannot get out? Sure, FTL virtual
photons would do the trick. The math says so!
But what is the EVIDENCE?
Here is a thought-experiment, perhaps one day to be
simplified for the laboratory. Start with a nice
"clean" neutron star. No accretion disk, no messy
spin, electrically neutral, etcetera. Now let us
place an "electret" in a nice circular orbit. If
you don't know what an electret is, it is just an
insulated object that is given a static electric
charge, so it has a persisting electric field the
way a permanent magnet has a static magnetic field.
Next, let's spray a known quantity of same-charge
particles at the neutron star. We can put a decent
number there, thanks to gravitation. Obviously the
electric charge on the star will influence the
orbital path of the electret. We can compute what
the effect is SUPPOSED to be, based on FTL virtual
photons.
But in the real world, with the gravitation of the
neutron star a factor, we might obtain different
results. Suppose the virtual photons responsible
for electric charge actually travel at ordinary
lightspeed? Then they would be red-shifted in
escaping the neutron star! That SHOULD make for
a lessening of the electric force between charged
star and electret. And of course it would mean
that charges swallowed by black holes simply
disappear. Not to worry -- "violation" of
Conservation of Charge would only be temporary!
With an unbalanced charge left in the Universe,
electric repulsion would encourage other particles
to get swallowed by a black hole. Balance restored!
virtual photons responsible for electric charge (and
other phenomena not needing to be discussed here)
travel INSTANTLY in-between two charged particles.
Does the math HAVE to work that way? How can such
a claim be proved, anyway?
Certain other forum discussions have considered the
issue of a Black Hole swallowing a charged particle.
How do the virtual photons get OUT of the hole, to
tell the Universe that the hole is now charged, if
ordinary photons cannot get out? Sure, FTL virtual
photons would do the trick. The math says so!
But what is the EVIDENCE?
Here is a thought-experiment, perhaps one day to be
simplified for the laboratory. Start with a nice
"clean" neutron star. No accretion disk, no messy
spin, electrically neutral, etcetera. Now let us
place an "electret" in a nice circular orbit. If
you don't know what an electret is, it is just an
insulated object that is given a static electric
charge, so it has a persisting electric field the
way a permanent magnet has a static magnetic field.
Next, let's spray a known quantity of same-charge
particles at the neutron star. We can put a decent
number there, thanks to gravitation. Obviously the
electric charge on the star will influence the
orbital path of the electret. We can compute what
the effect is SUPPOSED to be, based on FTL virtual
photons.
But in the real world, with the gravitation of the
neutron star a factor, we might obtain different
results. Suppose the virtual photons responsible
for electric charge actually travel at ordinary
lightspeed? Then they would be red-shifted in
escaping the neutron star! That SHOULD make for
a lessening of the electric force between charged
star and electret. And of course it would mean
that charges swallowed by black holes simply
disappear. Not to worry -- "violation" of
Conservation of Charge would only be temporary!
With an unbalanced charge left in the Universe,
electric repulsion would encourage other particles
to get swallowed by a black hole. Balance restored!