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quick
Aug31-04, 10:14 PM
this picture shows the problem:
http://s93755476.onlinehome.us/phys.jpg

i realize the discriminant must be positive for t_catch to have a real value. i just can't figure out how to write an expression with a and b. thanks in advance.

jamesrc
Aug31-04, 10:26 PM
Realizing that the discriminant must be greater than or equal to 0 is really the whole problem. The minimum speed, c, will give a discriminant of 0 (i.e., cmin2 - 2ab = 0). Just solve for cmin and plug back into your expression for tcatch from the quadratic formula.

quick
Aug31-04, 10:42 PM
how do i solve for c_min?

jamesrc
Aug31-04, 10:54 PM
cmin2 - 2ab = 0

quick
Aug31-04, 11:00 PM
sorry im retarded, i didn't read your response correctly. thanks for your help!

Nenad
Aug31-04, 11:18 PM
if you have a quadratic formula:
ax^{2} + bx + c = 0
the solution for its roots is:

x = \frac {-b {+-} \sqrt{b^{2} - 4ac}}{2a}

now your equation is{
\frac{1}{2}at^{2} - ct + b = 0

so the solution to have a positive x walue would be easy to find, just sub in your constants in the equation above:

x = \frac {-(-c) {+-} \sqrt{(-c)^{2} - 4((\frac{1}{2}a)(b)}}{2(\frac{1}{2}a)}

x = \frac {c {+-} \sqrt{c^{2} - 2ab}}{a}

so in order to have a positive x value, there must be a positive root,
c^2 - 2ab > 0

there is your answer. Do you understand now?

Chronos
Sep1-04, 01:21 AM
Hmm, I don't see the connection to the original question.

Nenad
Sep1-04, 12:29 PM
what dont you see about it, the question is asking to express the minimum values of the mans speed in terms of a and b. As long as

c^2 - 2ab > 0

there is your answer. The min value would be:

c^2 - 2ab = 0