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Lubos Motl
Sep1-04, 07:07 PM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>I wonder whether someone has an illuminating answer to the following\nquestion of Nima:\n\nConsider AdS/CFT with an SU(N) gauge group, and in the gravitational\nlanguage, imagine that you insert a spherical D3-brane, or a D3-anti-D3\nbrane pair. Inside the spherical brane, the flux is bigger by one (you can\ngeneralize "one" to a higher number) and the effective physics inside\nshould be described by a SU(N+1) theory, perhaps times an extra U(1).\n\nIn some sense, the SU(N) theory seems to contain a SU(N+1) subsector, does\nnot it? A specific state - some sort of entangled condensate - changes the\nphysics to a physics of a larger gauge group. We know how to reduce the\ngauge group by Higgsing - which would happen for a D3-brane - but an\nanti-D3-brane needs just the opposite. Although it is far less\nsupersymmetric, it still seems that such a configuration can be\nlong-lived, although you should check this statement.\n\nDoes someone know how to describe this increase of the gauge group in the\nCFT language, or why the arguments above are wrong? Thanks, Lubos\n___________________________________________ ___________________________________\nE-mail: lumo@matfyz.cz fax: +1-617/496-0110 Web: http://lumo.matfyz.cz/\neFax: +1-801/454-1858 work: +1-617/496-8199 home: +1-617/868-4487 (call)\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>I wonder whether someone has an illuminating answer to the following
question of Nima:
Consider AdS/CFT with an SU(N) gauge group, and in the gravitational
language, imagine that you insert a spherical D3-brane, or a D3-anti-D3
brane pair. Inside the spherical brane, the flux is bigger by one (you can
generalize "one" to a higher number) and the effective physics inside
should be described by a SU(N+1) theory, perhaps times an extra U(1).
In some sense, the SU(N) theory seems to contain a SU(N+1) subsector, does
not it? A specific state - some sort of entangled condensate - changes the
physics to a physics of a larger gauge group. We know how to reduce the
gauge group by Higgsing - which would happen for a D3-brane - but an
anti-D3-brane needs just the opposite. Although it is far less
supersymmetric, it still seems that such a configuration can be
long-lived, although you should check this statement.
Does someone know how to describe this increase of the gauge group in the
CFT language, or why the arguments above are wrong? Thanks, Lubos
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Aaron Bergman
Sep2-04, 03:27 AM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>In article\n<Pine.LNX.4.31.0409012002120.21399-100000@einstein.physics.harvard.edu>,\nLubos Motl <motl@feynman.harvard.edu> wrote:\n\n> I wonder whether someone has an illuminating answer to the following\n> question of Nima:\n>\n> Consider AdS/CFT with an SU(N) gauge group, and in the gravitational\n> language, imagine that you insert a spherical D3-brane, or a D3-anti-D3\n> brane pair. Inside the spherical brane, the flux is bigger by one (you can\n> generalize "one" to a higher number) and the effective physics inside\n> should be described by a SU(N+1) theory, perhaps times an extra U(1).\n>\n> In some sense, the SU(N) theory seems to contain a SU(N+1) subsector, does\n> not it? A specific state - some sort of entangled condensate - changes the\n> physics to a physics of a larger gauge group. We know how to reduce the\n> gauge group by Higgsing - which would happen for a D3-brane - but an\n> anti-D3-brane needs just the opposite. Although it is far less\n> supersymmetric, it still seems that such a configuration can be\n> long-lived, although you should check this statement.\n\nI think I remember Vijay giving a talk on this subject, so you might try\nasking him.\n\nAaron\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>In article
<Pine.LNX.4.31.0409012002120.21399-100000@einstein.physics.harvard.edu>,
Lubos Motl <motl@feynman.harvard.edu> wrote:
> I wonder whether someone has an illuminating answer to the following
> question of Nima:
>
> Consider AdS/CFT with an SU(N) gauge group, and in the gravitational
> language, imagine that you insert a spherical D3-brane, or a D3-anti-D3
> brane pair. Inside the spherical brane, the flux is bigger by one (you can
> generalize "one" to a higher number) and the effective physics inside
> should be described by a SU(N+1) theory, perhaps times an extra U(1).
>
> In some sense, the SU(N) theory seems to contain a SU(N+1) subsector, does
> not it? A specific state - some sort of entangled condensate - changes the
> physics to a physics of a larger gauge group. We know how to reduce the
> gauge group by Higgsing - which would happen for a D3-brane - but an
> anti-D3-brane needs just the opposite. Although it is far less
> supersymmetric, it still seems that such a configuration can be
> long-lived, although you should check this statement.
I think I remember Vijay giving a talk on this subject, so you might try
asking him.
Aaron
Robert C. Helling
Sep2-04, 03:28 AM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:07:19 -0400, Lubos Motl <motl@feynman.harvard.edu> wrote:\n> Consider AdS/CFT with an SU(N) gauge group, and in the gravitational\n> language, imagine that you insert a spherical D3-brane, or a D3-anti-D3\n> brane pair. Inside the spherical brane, the flux is bigger by one (you can\n> generalize "one" to a higher number) and the effective physics inside\n> should be described by a SU(N+1) theory, perhaps times an extra U(1).\n\nWhat exactly do you mean by "spherical"? Do you mean "concentric to\nthe spherical boundary"? If that is the case, that brane is course\nflat and parallel to the stack of D3s that generates the AdS. In the\ncase of an additional D3 this should just be higgsing (although I have\nto admit that I am a bit confused with assigning UV and IR to inner\nand outer regions): At low energies, this is a SU(N)xU(1) theory butat\nscales above the Higgs mass this becomes SU(N+1). With the fluxes, too\nI am not so sure, consider the flat set-up as\n\n|||||||| |\n|||||||| |\n|||||||| |\n|||||||| |\nI |||||||| II | III\n|||||||| |\n|||||||| |\n|||||||| |\n\nWhat would you say is the flux in regions I, II and III?\n\nIn the case of the anti-D3 I would assume a similar theory but with a\ntachyonic Higgs. The instability of this theory mirrors the\ninstability of the brane configuration.\n\nBTW, the additional branes break some of the isometries of AdS, thus\nthe boundary theory should not be conformal.\n\nRobert\n\n\n--\n..oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oO o.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oO\nRobert C. Helling Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics\nUniversity of Cambridge\nprint "Just another Phone: +44/1223/766870\nstupid .sig\\n"; http://www.aei-potsdam.mpg.de/~helling\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:07:19 -0400, Lubos Motl <motl@feynman.harvard.edu> wrote:
> Consider AdS/CFT with an SU(N) gauge group, and in the gravitational
> language, imagine that you insert a spherical D3-brane, or a D3-anti-D3
> brane pair. Inside the spherical brane, the flux is bigger by one (you can
> generalize "one" to a higher number) and the effective physics inside
> should be described by a SU(N+1) theory, perhaps times an extra U(1).
What exactly do you mean by "spherical"? Do you mean "concentric to
the spherical boundary"? If that is the case, that brane is course
flat and parallel to the stack of D3s that generates the AdS. In the
case of an additional D3 this should just be higgsing (although I have
to admit that I am a bit confused with assigning UV and IR to inner
and outer regions): At low energies, this is a SU(N)xU(1) theory butat
scales above the Higgs mass this becomes SU(N+1). With the fluxes, too
I am not so sure, consider the flat set-up as
|||||||| ||||||||| ||||||||| ||||||||| |I ||||||||[/itex] II | III
[itex]|||||||| ||||||||| ||||||||| |
What would you say is the flux in regions I, II and III?
In the case of the anti-D3 I would assume a similar theory but with a
tachyonic Higgs. The instability of this theory mirrors the
instability of the brane configuration.
BTW, the additional branes break some of the isometries of AdS, thus
the boundary theory should not be conformal.
Robert
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Robert C. Helling Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics
University of Cambridge
print "Just another Phone: +44/1223/766870
stupid .sig\n"; http://www.aei-potsdam.mpg.de/~helling
Lubos Motl
Sep2-04, 10:18 AM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Aaron Bergman wrote:\n\n> I think I remember Vijay giving a talk on this subject, so you might try\n> asking him.\n\nThanks - he may have a paper on this topic describing something about\ngiant gravitons in general, but we will have to see whether he knows why\nthe gauge group seems to jump.\n\nThanks to Robert for his answer and figures, too!\n____________________________________________ __________________________________\nE-mail: lumo@matfyz.cz fax: +1-617/496-0110 Web: http://lumo.matfyz.cz/\neFax: +1-801/454-1858 work: +1-617/496-8199 home: +1-617/868-4487 (call)\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Aaron Bergman wrote:
> I think I remember Vijay giving a talk on this subject, so you might try
> asking him.
Thanks - he may have a paper on this topic describing something about
giant gravitons in general, but we will have to see whether he knows why
the gauge group seems to jump.
Thanks to Robert for his answer and figures, too!
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E-mail: lumo@matfyz.cz fax: +1-617/496-0110 Web: http://lumo.matfyz.cz/
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Aaron Bergman
Sep2-04, 11:07 AM
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>In article <Pine.LNX.4.31.0409021114280.10064-100000@feynman.harvard.edu>,\nLubos Motl <motl@feynman.harvard.edu> wrote:\n\n> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Aaron Bergman wrote:\n>\n> > I think I remember Vijay giving a talk on this subject, so you might try\n> > asking him.\n>\n> Thanks - he may have a paper on this topic describing something about\n> giant gravitons in general, but we will have to see whether he knows why\n> the gauge group seems to jump.\n\nThe talk I remember was specifically on the subject you\'re talking\nabout. I think it was by Vijay, but I\'m not positive.\n\nAaron\n\n[Moderator\'s note: I am now looking at hep-th/0204196, and reminding\nmyself how to generate the extra fundamentals by attaching the traces\nto the subdeterminants (giant gravitons) which are not traces. Thanks, LM]\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>In article <Pine.LNX.4.31.0409021114280.10064-100000@feynman.harvard.edu>,
Lubos Motl <motl@feynman.harvard.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Aaron Bergman wrote:
>
> > I think I remember Vijay giving a talk on this subject, so you might try
> > asking him.
>
> Thanks - he may have a paper on this topic describing something about
> giant gravitons in general, but we will have to see whether he knows why
> the gauge group seems to jump.
The talk I remember was specifically on the subject you're talking
about. I think it was by Vijay, but I'm not positive.
Aaron
[Moderator's note: I am now looking at http://www.arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0204196, and reminding
myself how to generate the extra fundamentals by attaching the traces
to the subdeterminants (giant gravitons) which are not traces. Thanks, LM]
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