Einstein's Theory of Mass-Energy Conversion: True or False?

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The discussion revolves around Einstein's theory of mass-energy conversion, particularly in the context of nuclear fusion and fission, and whether energy can be converted to mass outside of the Big Bang. Participants explore theoretical implications, examples, and the nuances of mass conservation in these processes.

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  • Some participants assert that during fusion, mass is converted to energy, resulting in a decrease in the overall mass of the object.
  • One participant provides numerical examples of mass differences in nuclear fusion, illustrating the mass-energy conversion process.
  • Questions are raised about instances of energy converting to mass outside of the Big Bang, with examples such as nuclear fission and pair production being discussed.
  • Another participant mentions that while mass may appear to decrease, the energy must be radiated away for the mass to actually decrease.
  • There is a claim that the total mass remains unchanged, with discussions on the conservation of mass in relation to relativistic and invariant mass.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of mass-energy conversion, particularly regarding whether total mass changes or remains constant. There is no consensus on the interpretation of mass conservation in these contexts.

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Some statements depend on definitions of mass (relativistic vs. invariant) and the conditions under which energy is radiated away. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps related to mass-energy conversion.

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Readers interested in theoretical physics, nuclear processes, and the implications of mass-energy equivalence may find this discussion relevant.

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According to Einstein's theory, during the process of fusiom some of the mass of the element(s) gets converted to energy, therefore the over all mass of the obnject is less due to the mass to energy convertion. This is true yes?
 
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Yes. Example (all numbers are atomic mass units).
neutron 1.0086649
H1 1.007825
He4 4.0026032
Add up 2 neutrons and 2 H and get 4.0329798, leaving a difference (converted to energy) of .0303766.
 
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Thanks for your reply.
Another question: Outside of the big bang are there any examples where energy gets converted to mass?
 
RAD4921 said:
Thanks for your reply.
Another question: Outside of the big bang are there any examples where energy gets converted to mass?

Sure, lots. Another nuclear example: In nuclear fission (as opposed to fusion), a neutron is absorbed by a fissionable nucleus such as u-235, or pu-239. The resulting nucleus is unstable and splits, generally into two large fragments and releases some more neutrons. The sum of the masses of the fragments and the released neutrons is less than the mass of the nucleus and the absorbed neutron before the reaction. This "mass defect" is converted to energy. This is how a nuclear weapon works and how a nuclear power plant generates energy.
 
RAD4921 said:
According to Einstein's theory, during the process of fusiom some of the mass of the element(s) gets converted to energy, therefore the over all mass of the obnject is less due to the mass to energy convertion. This is true yes?

Yes, though the energy has to get radiated away before the mass will actually decrease.
 
RAD4921 said:
According to Einstein's theory, during the process of fusiom some of the mass of the element(s) gets converted to energy, therefore the over all mass of the obnject is less due to the mass to energy convertion. This is true yes?
The sum of the rest mass of the individual particles change. But the total mass remains unchanged. See http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/sr/nuclear_energy.htm

The conservation of mass holds true whether you think of mass as relativist mass or as invariant mass. In the case of the later the invariant mass equals the energy in the inertial frame divided by c^2. Since energy is conserved then so too does the invariant mass. In the former case the total mass is the sum of the masses.

Note: Relativistic mass is the m in p = mv. Given this definition it can be shown that this is a conserved quantity and to show this one does not need to rely on the conservation of energy.

Pete
 
Outside of the big bang are there any examples where energy gets converted to mass?

Pair production (gamma ray to electron-positron pairs) is an absorption mechanism used in shielding against gamma rays.
 

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