The expected value of a Geometric Series

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the expected value of a geometric distribution, specifically focusing on the formula \(\mu = \frac{1}{p}\). Participants explore methods to evaluate the summation involved in the expected value calculation without using moment generating functions.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expected value formula and attempts to simplify the summation involved.
  • Another participant suggests differentiating a known series sum to assist in evaluating the summation.
  • A subsequent reply seeks clarification on the differentiation process and its relation to the expected value.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the differentiation of the series sum, indicating a potential misunderstanding about the application of differentiation in this context.
  • One participant points out a mistake in factoring out a term from the summation, suggesting it may obscure the evaluation process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple viewpoints on how to approach the summation and differentiation, indicating that participants have not reached a consensus on the best method to derive the expected value.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correct application of differentiation to the summation and the implications of factoring terms out of the equation. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the evaluation process.

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I'm supposed to prove that in a geometric distribution, the expected value,

[tex] \mu = \frac{1}{p}[/tex]

without the use of moment generating functions (whatever that is)

I start off with the very definition of the expected value.

[tex] \mu_x = E(x) = \sum x \cdot p \cdot (1-p)^{x-1}[/tex]

[tex] \mu_x = p \sum x \cdot (1-p)^{x-1}[/tex]

[tex] \mu_x = p \sum x \cdot (1-p)^x \cdot (1-p)^{-1}[/tex]

[tex] \mu_x = \frac{p}{1-p} \sum x \cdot (1-p)^x[/tex]

Now I get stuck because I don't know how to evaluate the summation. Can anyone help me out?

btw, x starts from 1 to n
 
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can you sum y^r as r goes from 1 to n. what if you differentiate both sides?
 
I am assuming that [tex]y^r[/tex] is [tex](1-p)^x[/tex]. If I would convert the summation into its series and differentiate both sides, what would be the derivative of [tex]\mu_x[/tex]?
 
erm, what? i indicated to you how to sum a certain kind of series, the series you wanted to sum. I'm not doing anything with differentiating mu_x.
 
err... sorry, my bad. So, when you said differentiate both sides I thought both sides of the equation. What you really mean is that in order to evaluate the summation you need to differentiate, am I understanding it right?
 
you know a formula :

S(n) = sum 1 to n of y^r

that is anequation in y, diff wrt to y and you'll find a formula for a sum that looks a lot like the one you want to sum in your problem. you've pulled that factor of 1/(1-p) out when you shouldn't have: it'll make it more transparent when you put it back in.
 

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