The Purest form of Abstract thought

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The discussion revolves around the nature of mathematics as an abstract discipline, particularly in relation to its existence and reference to reality. Participants explore philosophical perspectives on mathematics and draw parallels with concepts in quantum mechanics and superstring theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that mathematics may be considered "the study without an object," highlighting the uncertainty regarding the existence of mathematical entities.
  • Others argue that unlike mathematics, fields such as philosophy and physics maintain some reference to reality, even at their most abstract levels.
  • A participant humorously connects the abstract nature of mathematics to quantum mechanics, suggesting similarities in their perceived lack of concrete existence.
  • Another participant counters this by emphasizing that quantum mechanics is supported by experimental evidence, unlike superstring theory, which is described as lacking experimental support and being closer to pure mathematics.
  • There is mention of the recognition of contributions to mathematics through awards like the Fields Medal, specifically referencing Witten's achievements.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of mathematics and its relationship to reality, with no consensus reached on these philosophical questions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects ongoing philosophical debates about the existence and implications of mathematical concepts, as well as the relationship between mathematics and empirical sciences, which remain unresolved.

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Hi ppl,
Could someone please tell me who's quote this is: "Mathematics is the purest form of abstract thought"?
 
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In mathematics you don't know whether the things you study exist or not, or what it would mean for them to really exist. Not only mathematicians, but philosophers have debated this issue without reaching a consensus. Some philosophers have called mathematics "The study without an object".

No other study has so abstract a topic matter. Specifically philosophy and physics both, at their most abstract, have SOME reference to reality.
 
selfAdjoint said:
In mathematics you don't know whether the things you study exist or not, or what it would mean for them to really exist. Not only mathematicians, but philosophers have debated this issue without reaching a consensus. Some philosophers have called mathematics "The study without an object".

No other study has so abstract a topic matter. Specifically philosophy and physics both, at their most abstract, have SOME reference to reality.

That's funny, that is exactly what they say about quantum mechanics as well. :-p
 
wuliheron said:
That's funny, that is exactly what they say about quantum mechanics as well. :-p


Not at all! Quantum Mechanics has a strong experimental support, and indeed its delevelopment was driven by advances in experimental technique, from the photoelectric effect to the microwave spectroscopy than yielded the Lamb shift.

Superstring theory now, has no experimental support and has been accused by some of being pure philosophy. But what it actually is closer to is pure mathematics. It is no accident the Witten was awarded the Fields medal, the mathematical equivalent of the Nobel proze.
 

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