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Just wondering, what; if any are the drugs of choice of PFers. I have found most of the physics majors at my school to be stoners, I was wondering if that trend was everywhere. I myself smoke mostly on the weekends, or when I watch movies. I also drink pretty heavily on fridays./saturdays. :redface:
cragwolf
Oct12-04, 04:59 PM
Haven't touched the stuff, worried about health effects. I tend to get highs from my hobbies (including, sometimes, physics). Whatever works for you, though. Just do it in moderation.
Gokul43201
Oct12-04, 05:04 PM
I get high on intellectual interaction...and my college days are way in the past !
The Bob
Oct12-04, 05:07 PM
I don't get high.
The Bob (2004 ©)
Frankly, I can't understand how anyone would want to touch any sort of drug with a ten foot pole, and that includes alcohol.
Tom Mattson
Oct12-04, 05:10 PM
Frankly, I can't understand how anyone would want to touch any sort of drug with a ten foot pole, and that includes alcohol.
Me either. They're much harder to get at from 10 feet away. :rofl:
Me either. They're much harder to get at from 10 feet away. :rofl:
Unless the ten foot pole is a pipe
Frankly, I can't understand how anyone would want to touch any sort of drug with a ten foot pole, and that includes alcohol.
Ever been to a party without alcohol or drugs? Pretty boring in my opinion. But then again I am a twenty year old guy going to one of the top party schools.
Unless the ten foot pole is a pipe
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yeah, drugs are dumb... But I like alcohol so I guess I'm dumb.
But I like alcohol so I guess I'm dumb.
Along with 80% of Americans. :wink:
Ivan Seeking
Oct12-04, 05:39 PM
coffee, yep, coffee's my drug, no doubt about, coffee is definitely my drug, it wakes me up, it gets me through the day, it help me think, it tastes good, coffee is definitely my drug, it give me so much energy, I don't know how I could get along without it, yep, no doubt about it, coffee is my drug, coffee, yep, coffee's my drug, no doubt about, coffee is definitely my drug, it wakes me up, it gets me through the day, it help me think, it tastes good, coffee is definitely my drug, it give me so much energy, I don't know how I could get along without it, yep, no doubt about it, coffee is my drug. The best part is that it has no negative physical or mental effects.
LoL
Music is my drug. I guess I have to sing then. *LAAAAAAAAAAALALALALAAA*
Gokul43201
Oct12-04, 05:57 PM
coffee, yep, coffee's my drug,..., yep, no doubt about it, coffee is my drug. The best part is that it has no negative physical or mental effects.
That's just too much like Rainman !! :eek: Perhaps there's a correlation between caffeine and autism ?
Ivan Seeking
Oct12-04, 06:08 PM
That's just too much like Rainman !! :eek: Perhaps there's a correlation between caffeine and autism ?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I did slip into Rainman didn't I!!!
i_wish_i_was_smart
Oct12-04, 06:31 PM
ALCOHOL WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO, half the time i'm on here i'm drunk, i'm keeping my Canadian and engineering pride flyin high hehe
a little weed here and there arent bad either
Loren Booda
Oct12-04, 08:47 PM
Notice how this thread consists primarily of one-liners. Maybe that reflects the lack of concentration associated with recreational drugs.
If you feel you have a need for a drug, I suggest you first consult a competent psychiatrist to consider appropriate pharmaceuticals before committing yourself to a substance crutch.
I would guess that the vast majority of those that have taken street drugs mature out of them, become dependent on them to cope with life, or "self-medicate" an underlying mental illness.
JasonRox
Oct12-04, 08:56 PM
I can live without them.
I would love to get high on an intellectual conversation, but that is beyond my reach since most people lack the ability to think.
Because of this, I believe I am at the wrong school and should consider a school that encourages people to think.
While I also prefer intellectual to chemical stimulation (except maybe if you count chocolate), I always liked this description by ethno-botanist Wade Davis of his experience of some South American rain forest plant he tried (all in the name of science I'm sure :wink: ):
"It was like being fired out of cannon lined with baroque paintings into a sea of molten electricity."
Loren Booda
Oct12-04, 09:30 PM
plover,
Maybe you should stick to the chocolate! :tongue2:
Moonbear
Oct12-04, 10:23 PM
For me, it's both coffee and chocolate!
Um, and yes, I've been to parties without any alcohol and had a great time! I've never understood why people need to drink to be social. If you're so embarrassed to do something in front of other people without the alcohol, why would you drink alcohol so you would do it? And if it's okay to be seen acting a certain way (such as, gasp, dancing) if you're drunk, then why can't you do it sober? A few of my friends have parents or other close relatives who are recovering alcoholics, so chose to have their wedding receptions without alcohol. A lot of people started out with the whole bit of, "I can't start dancing until I've had a few drinks." Yeah, sure, right. Just get out on the dance floor and dance if you enjoy dancing! I do enjoy alcohol, but never enjoy getting drunk (it has happened, no doubt about it, but I don't like feeling drunk, and definitely don't like the hangover). I've never tried any other drugs and have stayed clear of others using them as well. I just don't have any reason to want to even try it.
theCandyman
Oct12-04, 11:03 PM
My drug of choice is caffine, great stuff, especially in chocolate and Dr.Pepper.
As for smoking, my grandfather died of lung cancer from doing it. It was a slow painful death, about half a year I think, one of those on the hospital. So I shy away from it, I even try to avoid secondary smoke.
While I also prefer intellectual to chemical stimulation (except maybe if you count chocolate), I always liked this description by ethno-botanist Wade Davis of his experience of some South American rain forest plant he tried (all in the name of science I'm sure :wink: ):
"It was like being fired out of cannon lined with baroque paintings into a sea of molten electricity."
And where exactly did he find this plant?........purely for scientific purposes, of course;A)
Notice how this thread consists primarily of one-liners. Maybe that reflects the lack of concentration associated with recreational drugs.
Why do people always think I'm on drugs :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Oh wait, I eat multi-vitamins :redface:
And where exactly did he find this plant?........purely for scientific purposes, of course;A)
I'm not sure he mentioned that. :frown:
Somewhere I have a transcript of a talk he gave that was apparently a preliminary version of one of his essays, and that's where the quote is from, but I have no idea what random stash of papers it might have ended up in. Unfortunately, the line seems to be missing from the published version of the essay: "The Forests of Amazonia" in Shadows in the Sun.
There are other essays in the book that do deal more directly with his studies of the botanic knowledge of South American shamans. "Plants of the Gods" contains a description of his experience participating in a ritual centered around the hallucinogen ayahuasca.
Gokul43201
Oct13-04, 10:24 AM
Just curious, since we're talking about getting high : who here thinks Lewis Caroll (Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson) was high when he wrote Alice in Wonderland. And when I say high, I'm talking about a chemical (shrooms ??) induced high.
selfAdjoint
Oct13-04, 10:32 AM
Nah. Both Alice books are secretly very logical, and not at all free and easy. Besides, just about the only enhancers available to him would have been opium and hashish, neither of which seems to fit the case.
jimmy p
Oct13-04, 11:00 AM
My drug of choice.... Hmmm, I drink a hell of a lot of red bull so that is taurine and caffeine.
Im drink alcohol about every night, not getting wasted but still drinking. Mixing cheap wine, smirnoff and san miguel is fun though!
The only time I got high, I got told that it was the best german I had ever spoken
I'm trying to cut down on my nicotine intake.
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct13-04, 12:44 PM
Cannabis is only unhealthy if you don't smoke it with a vaporiser. You can make one with a light bulb. This allows you to heat the weed to a temperature lower than is required for the plant material to combust. As a result, the cannabinoids vaporise, preventing you from having to inhale the toxic constituents (or particulates) present in smoke.
For the people who don't understand why people do drugs, are you stupid? Drugs are pleasureable and they can enhance social situations. For people (I don't count, as I'm a complete junkie), they can be safe and a lot of fun in moderation. Believe me, there are people who can control themselves.
Many people are under the impression that drugs will fry your brain etc. It's all bull****.
Go to www.bluelight.nu for the truth.
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct13-04, 12:46 PM
Just curious, since we're talking about getting high : who here thinks Lewis Caroll (Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson) was high when he wrote Alice in Wonderland. And when I say high, I'm talking about a chemical (shrooms ??) induced high.
It was Opium mate.
Loren Booda
Oct13-04, 01:11 PM
How about Alfred Lord Tennyson and "Kubla Khan"? Was he addicted to opium? Kubla Khan is one of the greatest poems ever, imo. Who the heck interrupted his "dream"?
Moonbear
Oct13-04, 01:45 PM
How about Alfred Lord Tennyson and "Kubla Khan"? Was he addicted to opium? Kubla Khan is one of the greatest poems ever, imo. Who the heck interrupted his "dream"?
You know, the closest I've ever gotten to experiencing a drug-induced high has been reading poetry. I have little appreciation for poetry, because much of what people call "good" poetry, especially free verse, sounds like psychotic ramblings to me. I've never really looked into the drug abuse history of poets (certainly I'm aware of a whole genre of depressed poets), but that sure would explain a lot about poetry to me. Once poetry loses recognizable pattern and structure, I have no interest in it at all (I always just attributed it to being too analytical...meter, patterns, symmetry of rhyme always seemed the analytical side of poetry that appealed to me).
Edit: I should add that actually, I have experienced being high without taking drugs. I once sprained my ankle very badly, and within moments, the rapid release of endogenous opioids flooded my system...I felt no pain, and actually wished I did because I felt so disconnected and spacey, and even nauseous, I was almost grateful when the throbbing started and I could think straight again. I have no desire to ever feel that way again! :yuck:
Just curious, since we're talking about getting high : who here thinks Lewis Caroll (Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson) was high when he wrote Alice in Wonderland. And when I say high, I'm talking about a chemical (shrooms ??) induced high.
this kind of statement really urks me...have you ever done any studying as to who Charles L Dodson was?? he was a brilliant mathematician who desired to show children logic! his most famous books were a political satire of british politics. those posters and stickers that portray the catapillar on the shroom smoking a water pipe does this outstanding author no good.
Gokul43201
Oct13-04, 01:54 PM
I have little appreciation for poetry, because much of what people call "good" poetry, especially free verse, sounds like psychotic ramblings to me.
Poetry with meter and rhyme can only be clever, but (almost) never beautiful.
Just wondering, what; if any are the drugs of choice of PFers. I have found most of the physics majors at my school to be stoners, I was wondering if that trend was everywhere. I myself smoke mostly on the weekends, or when I watch movies. I also drink pretty heavily on fridays./saturdays. :redface:
my favorite "high" is utilizing my creativity. althouh i stand up for the legalization of cannabis strongly, i don't endorse it in a forum where there are many students here sincerely looking to learn something. solely depending on any drug for recreation is misusing it automatically, alcohol included.
Moonbear
Oct13-04, 01:57 PM
this kind of statement really urks me...have you ever done any studying as to who Charles L Dodson was?? he was a brilliant mathematician who desired to show children logic! his most famous books were a political satire of british politics. those posters and stickers that portray the catapillar on the shroom smoking a water pipe does this outstanding author no good.
I have to agree about that. My reading of Alice in Wonderland is of a story filled with lessons about morals and decision-making. Perhaps it is even a warning that today's society could use about not seeking quick fixes for their problems (this pill will make me taller...but how much taller, and what else might it do?).
Gokul43201
Oct13-04, 02:31 PM
this kind of statement really urks me...have you ever done any studying as to who Charles L Dodson was?? he was a brilliant mathematician who desired to show children logic! his most famous books were a political satire of british politics. those posters and stickers that portray the catapillar on the shroom smoking a water pipe does this outstanding author no good.
And this kind of statement irks me...or should I say"urks" ? Nevermind, I see that the U neighbors the I.
Being a bit of a "history of math and science" junkie, I do believe I know a little about Dodgson. In fact, I've read a couple of chapters from his "Treatise on Determinants" (which I could only find in microfiche format, in my library - and reading microfiche can give you a serious crick in the neck). I'm also aware of the rumors surrounding the supposed request by Queen Victoria (after she read Alice) for his other books, upon which she was sent his other mathematical works. And I call them 'rumors' because Dodgson himself denied them in a later book titled Symbolic Logic. Besides that, I'm aware that he was a satirist and caricaturist...and probable other things too.
So, yes, I'm aware that he was a mathematician (and lecturer of mathematics at some college). However, I wouldn't proclaim him a "brilliant mathematician" because I know of no new contributions that are attributed to him. Even his most renowned mathematical piece "Euclid and his Modern Rivals", only reviews and compares the works of other mathematicians, but never proposes anything new.
Now, the reason I brought this (the question of whether he used drugs) up was because I know a lot of folks who, being ill-versed in base representations other than decimal, read the part with Alice doing multiplication and think it's just wacko, but some (that are themselves drug users - like bad boy blue) have claimed that Dodgson was under the influence while he was writing.
I never claim to share this opinion myself, nor do I disavow it. I'm just curious if there's any kernel of truth to it. And I'm curious if this opinion is shared mostly by drug users.
if you were so aware of charles dodson was gokul, why did you even make a drug reference to him then?
Loren Booda
Oct13-04, 05:16 PM
Moonbear,
I too, got an endorphin rush from a sprained ankle. I was able to get home and into bed thanks to the numbing.
Poets have the highest rate of bipolar disorder and suicide for any profession.
selfAdjoint
Oct13-04, 05:19 PM
How about Alfred Lord Tennyson and "Kubla Khan"? Was he addicted to opium? Kubla Khan is one of the greatest poems ever, imo. Who the heck interrupted his "dream"?
That was Coleridge. Tennyson lived a generation and a half later.
Gokul43201
Oct13-04, 06:26 PM
if you were so aware of charles dodson was gokul, why did you even make a drug reference to him then?
What ?? :confused: I won't claim to be "so aware"...I just know a little bit from things I've read here and there. Nor did I make a "drug reference to him" - I was merely asking a question.
It seems to me, from your previous post, that perhaps there is an ongoing joke about Dodgson and drugs. I was aware of no such thing, until now.
As I said, before, I was only trying to establish if there was any truth to the story. I didn't know that this was some kind of well-known rumor that has been debunked. If you say that there is no truth to it, I'll accept that.
Moonbear
Oct13-04, 06:53 PM
Moonbear,
I too, got an endorphin rush from a sprained ankle. I was able to get home and into bed thanks to the numbing.
That makes you smarter than me. I used the endorphin rush to keep running around on the farm finishing up what I was doing when I sprained it, which meant making it worse in the process. I was actually feeling so loopy, I didn't feel competent to drive myself home, though being my right foot, should have done so before it started hurting.
Poets have the highest rate of bipolar disorder and suicide for any profession.
I'm not sure if this is true. Isn't there a thread around somewhere on that topic? I can't recall the outcome of the discussion or if it was definitely on PF or if it was another forum I visit.
cragwolf
Oct13-04, 08:02 PM
this kind of statement really urks me...have you ever done any studying as to who Charles L Dodson was?? he was a brilliant mathematician who desired to show children logic!
And then photograph them in the nude. Repressed pedophile or not? I don't think it matters as long as he kept it repressed. He remains a fine author. Just like Heidegger, a Nazi, remains a fine philosopher. Sorry to sidetrack.
And then photograph them in the nude. Repressed pedophile or not? I don't think it matters as long as he kept it repressed. He remains a fine author. Just like Heidegger, a Nazi, remains a fine philosopher. Sorry to sidetrack.
I know he was a fine photographer, but nude pictures? Can you provide any proof? Also, you can't necessarily use today's society standards to judge him. What if in that time nude photographs were acceptable? Anyhow, let's not get this off topic. I was merely stating that there is no link between Charles Dodgson and drug use.
How bad are cigars?
You don't inhale them (apart from a couple of mistaken times). And if you wash your mouth, you can't possibly get any infections inside your mouth or on your lips. How often does one have to smoke cigars to have an impact?
I drink alchohol occasionaly. I see what is wrong about getting drunk, but sometimes i can't resist it. Moderate drinking (or moderate heavy drinking) is OK in my pov. As long as you can learn to control yourself. :)
Is it OK in your pov because it's what you do, or do you have an objective rationale?
cragwolf
Oct14-04, 04:25 AM
I know he was a fine photographer, but nude pictures? Can you provide any proof?
It's pretty common knowledge. There are 4 nude photographs still in existence. You will find them in one of these two books (I forget which):
Reflections in a Looking Glass : A Centennial Celebration of Lewis Carroll, Photographer (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0893817961)
Lewis Carroll, Photographer (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691074437)
Many other nude photographs were destroyed when he died (I believe this was his wish). You can read some articles on the subject here (http://www.ahcca.unimelb.edu.au/screenscape/alice.htm), here (http://www.lookingforlewiscarroll.com/Cult.html) and here (http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/classics/story/0,6000,582828,00.html).
Also, you can't necessarily use today's society standards to judge him. What if in that time nude photographs were acceptable?
I'm not judging him. I don't have enough information to judge him.
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct14-04, 07:35 AM
I don't understand why people would like to see cannabis legalised, but not any other drug. This completely irrational.
All drugs should be legal IMO. Prohibition causes far more damage than the drugs themselves. Also, these damn prohibitionists should stop spreading lies (it only creates distrust amongst the general public), for example with ecstacy, it does not create holes in your brain or drain your spinal fluid!
decibel
Oct14-04, 07:55 AM
I don't understand why people would like to see cannabis legalised, but not any other drug. This completely irrational.
All drugs should be legal IMO.
Your taking it a little too far there, there is a big difference between smoking cannabis and doing cocaine, or other drugs. All drugs should be legal?, you must be nuts, i support cannabis but NEVER any other drug such as heroin extacy, cocaine, or anything of that nature.
I don't understand why people would like to see cannabis legalised, but not any other drug. This completely irrational.
All drugs should be legal IMO. Prohibition causes far more damage than the drugs themselves. Also, these damn prohibitionists should stop spreading lies (it only creates distrust amongst the general public), for example with ecstacy, it does not create holes in your brain or drain your spinal fluid!
Dude - there is a BEEEG differenc ebetween weed and other "hard" drugs. I know guys who smaoke weed everyday but have NEVER EVER touched anything harder because they know about what everything else can do to u!
Anyway, after reading the posts here, I've been dumbstruck! how the hell do you get "high" on poetry?? Hell, I've read some literary pieces in my life which have astounded me but, hell, it's nothing like the high you get from being drunk or stoned.
My experiences - well, I haven't done any hard drugs. I live in Durban so if I ain't a smoker, something is wrong esp. since the best weed comes from here (Durban Poison). It is a relaxant and I know a lot of guys esp. engineeing students, who smoke regularly (ie. once every one or two weeks). I do know people who smoke more often but I'll tell you their fate after exams :biggrin:
It is illegal here but all you need to know is who to get it from and where to smoke. If you do it discreetly, nobody minds.
Also, when I was in school - we were doing experiments for inorganic chemistry. I just finished doing the experiment but there was like 10min till the class ended. Soooo...my friend and I did some arbitrary mixing....Needless to say, because of the fumes, the English paper I wrote in the next period was the moste interesting test I've ever wrote (parlty coz the words were moving in funky directions!) Quite nice...
Anyway, after reading the posts here, I've been dumbstruck! how the hell do you get "high" on poetry?? Hell, I've read some literary pieces in my life which have astounded me but, hell, it's nothing like the high you get from being drunk or stoned.
Hey, they're high on life man; high on life... :rolleyes:
I expected responses based on external chemical induced highs.
It's pretty common knowledge. There are 4 nude photographs still in existence. You will find them in one of these two books (I forget which):
Reflections in a Looking Glass : A Centennial Celebration of Lewis Carroll, Photographer (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0893817961)
Lewis Carroll, Photographer (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691074437)
Many other nude photographs were destroyed when he died (I believe this was his wish). You can read some articles on the subject here (http://www.ahcca.unimelb.edu.au/screenscape/alice.htm), here (http://www.lookingforlewiscarroll.com/Cult.html) and here (http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/classics/story/0,6000,582828,00.html).
I'm not judging him. I don't have enough information to judge him.
thanks, so what is your reason for bringing up this point in relation to this thread?
Gokul43201
Oct14-04, 01:47 PM
I think the point was something like : "a brilliant mathematician does not, a non-drug user imply".
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct14-04, 01:51 PM
You guys obviously don't know how many drugs are in existence. Recreational drugs are not limited to cocaine, meth and heroin.
But anyway, if you smoke weed (instead of using a vaporiser) it is far more physically harmful than using heroin and various other drugs.
Prometheus
Oct14-04, 01:52 PM
All drugs should be legal IMO. Prohibition causes far more damage than the drugs themselves.
I agree with you that prohibition is a source of far greater pain and problems in this country that the drugs themselves.
Furthermore, in a country where we are supposedly free, I believe that the government has no business pretending that it is trying to protect its citizens from themselves.
Prometheus
Oct14-04, 01:53 PM
But anyway, if you smoke weed (instead of using a vaporiser)
What is a vaporizer?
Prometheus
Oct14-04, 02:00 PM
i support cannabis but NEVER any other drug such as heroin extacy, cocaine, or anything of that nature.
I see that you are from Canada. I really don't know much about traditions in Canada.
In the U.S., we pretend and tell the world about how we are a free country, and that people have liberty here. Therefore, to me the most important point is that making laws to restrict liberties is not the repsonbility of a government that pretends that it is all about liberty.
Whether or not you like drugs, whether or not you use drugs, whether or not you would dump your best friend the instant you find that he has ever used a drug is your business. In the U.S., people should have the right to use drugs without having to deal with criminals in order to obtain them and without the fear of life-altering action by the government that pretends that it is protecting them.
hypnagogue
Oct14-04, 02:21 PM
Frankly, I don't understand people who claim not to understand why anyone would ever want to try a drug. Might as well ask, why would anyone ever want to watch a funny movie, or travel to an exotic land?
Drugs alter the character of one's mind in ways that are by and large not accessible otherwise. They can provide experiences that are novel, entertaining, or even profound-- many times in orders of magnitude well beyond what one experiences in day to day life. To ask why anyone would ever want to try a drug is essentially like asking why anyone would ever want to seek out entertaining or profound experiences, especially in novel ways.
Of course there are dangers involved, and of course altered states are not for everyone. Personally, I would never want to go skydiving, but I can understand why other people might, and I can even endorse it as long as it's carried out with the proper precaution. Unfortunately, one can't really endorse drug use with a right mind in today's world-at-large-- but this is a consequence of the absence of the kind of environment that would promote proper levels of precaution, safety, knowledge, and respect (such as exists for skydiving) more than anything else. The right kinds of drugs used in the right kinds of circumstances can provide extremely valuable and rewarding personal experiences, well beyond what most can fathom. It's just a matter of some enlightened society creating and enforcing that proper kind of environment. Until that happens, the predictable pattern will continue: we'll inevitably continue to have people playing with fire unsupervised, and some of them will inevitably burn themselves, and the critics will inevitably remind us that fire is to be avoided at all costs. What good can come out of fire, after all?
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct15-04, 07:53 AM
I see that you are from Canada. I really don't know much about traditions in Canada.
In the U.S., we pretend and tell the world about how we are a free country, and that people have liberty here. Therefore, to me the most important point is that making laws to restrict liberties is not the repsonbility of a government that pretends that it is all about liberty.
Whether or not you like drugs, whether or not you use drugs, whether or not you would dump your best friend the instant you find that he has ever used a drug is your business. In the U.S., people should have the right to use drugs without having to deal with criminals in order to obtain them and without the fear of life-altering action by the government that pretends that it is protecting them.
An example of a vaporiser would be a light bulb with the cap taken off. The cannabis (or another substance that has a sufficiently low boiling point) is placed inside the inverted bulb, which is then heated with a lighter from underneath. The bulb is heated until the psychoactive cannabinoids (e.g. THC) vaporise, which can then be inhaled using some sort of metallic tube (such as a piece of an aerial).
This allows you to smoke weed without having to inhale any smoke. The high is subjectively different, as the ratio of other cannabinoids to THC is altered (this prevents me from having to use heroin, benzos or GHB to reduce paranoia, as I don't get that when using this smoking technique).
Another interesting point is that it is far more efficient than smoking with a joint or pipe. You can use a very small amount of weed and still get completely off your face.
When making cannabis paraphernalia, remember to not use aluminium foil (alzheimer's disease).
Let's not start telling people how to make illegal drug paraphanalia, ok?
Loren Booda
Oct15-04, 10:58 AM
And how's life without these elaborate, escapist rituals?
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct15-04, 11:05 AM
Let's not start telling people how to make illegal drug paraphanalia, ok?
I thought it would be tolerated, since it will directly reduce the harm done to one's self while using cannabis.
It isn't illegal to own or use a vaporizer.
Gokul43201
Oct15-04, 11:38 AM
While this is true, there are too many youngsters roaming these boards with no clue about what's going on.
If discussing specific methods and techniques, it would be inappropriate, unless all the backgound information including the pros and cons of short and long-term neurological/physiological effects of the specific method described are also provided. Just my thought. I wouldn't like impressionable youngsters to follow instructions without having access to the whole story.
While this is true, there are too many youngsters roaming these boards with no clue about what's going on.
Probably because they're all high as fu**. :cool:
Prometheus
Oct17-04, 07:11 PM
An example of a vaporiser ...
Thanks for the insight.
Prometheus
Oct17-04, 07:17 PM
If discussing specific methods and techniques, it would be inappropriate, unless all the backgound information including the pros and cons of short and long-term neurological/physiological effects of the specific method described are also provided.
Please don't feel offended when I tell you that this is the most ridiculous thing I have read in quite a while. You are making not only impossible demands, but quite ridiculous demands, and quite foolish as well. You seem to have a major problem, which you are venting here.
Just my thought. I wouldn't like impressionable youngsters to follow instructions without having access to the whole story.
Get real. No one ever has access to the whole story about anything ever. You are introducing impossbile and unrealistic demands as a pretense in order to achieve your otherwise also unattainable goal.
My question to you is why are you so categorically against the recreational use of drugs by anyone?
My question to you is why are you so categorically against the recreational use of drugs by anyone?
don't assume this, it IS inappropriate for the methods of using illegal drugs to be discussed in a public forum where people under the age of 18 are reading. having this information so public would give PF a bad reputation and perhaps have the parents disallow our younger members to read. if you care to share your methods, do so in a PM :rolleyes:
Gokul43201
Oct17-04, 08:25 PM
Please don't feel offended when I tell you that this is the most ridiculous thing I have read in quite a while. You are making not only impossible demands, but quite ridiculous demands, and quite foolish as well. You seem to have a major problem, which you are venting here.
Get real. No one ever has access to the whole story about anything ever. You are introducing impossbile and unrealistic demands as a pretense in order to achieve your otherwise also unattainable goal.
My question to you is why are you so categorically against the recreational use of drugs by anyone?
Not only am I not against the recreational use of drugs (show me where I've vented this opinion), I'm for the legalization of it. And I've made this clear in previous discussions on the matter.
If, on this forum, I was teaching someone, say, how to synthesize Yttrium Barium Copper Oxide ... it would be negligent of me, if I didn't mention the hazards of improperly handling rare earth oxides (which are toxic), and the care needed when annealing the sinter at high temperatures. Now, even if the question was raised by someone with experience in synthetic inorganic chemistry, for whom this might seem trivial, my post will be read by others - especially school kids that frequent this site - with little knowledge in the area. I simply don't want such folks to think that nothing will go wrong if you strictly follow the recipe.
Please don't feel offended when I tell you that this is the most ridiculous thing I have read in quite a while. You are making not only impossible demands, but quite ridiculous demands, and quite foolish as well. You seem to have a major problem, which you are venting here.Sorry, I have to disagree. It is very inappropriate to be teaching people how to use illegal drugs on this forum. I cannot think of one single positive about it, or why it would be in line with what this forum is about.
Prometheus
Oct17-04, 11:25 PM
Not only am I not against the recreational use of drugs (show me where I've vented this opinion), I'm for the legalization of it. And I've made this clear in previous discussions on the matter.
I am sorry that I misunderstood your viewpoint and that I responded to the misrepresentation as I did.
I still greatly dislike and disapprove of your other point, but I do apologize for this error in my understanding.
franznietzsche
Oct17-04, 11:26 PM
And any who do think it is appropriate should be promptly banned on the basis of promoting illegal and dangerous activities on a site meant for the discussion of physics, no illegal and dangerous activities.
Prometheus
Oct17-04, 11:29 PM
Sorry, I have to disagree. It is very inappropriate to be teaching people how to use illegal drugs on this forum.
I believe that you are disagreeing with me for no other reason than to make your point.
The original argument did not argue against teaching people how to use illegal drugs at all. It had to do with requiring that a much broader context be taught, not a lesser context as you seem to prefer.
decibel
Oct17-04, 11:31 PM
Something i know about Marijuana is that it is not very addictive, i'v been smoking for 5 years, and i quit on the first day of October,its been 18 days and i'm fine with it, i dont feel the need for it at all.
I believe that you are disagreeing with me for no other reason than to make your point.
The original argument did not argue against teaching people how to use illegal drugs at all. It had to do with requiring that a much broader context be taught, not a lesser context as you seem to prefer.Good point. I did misread your post.
I will, however, stand by what I said. Instruction in the illegal use of drugs in any form is inappropriate here.
Discussions about drugs in general should include the information Gokul described. I don't think it would be impossible to discuss them.
Prometheus
Oct17-04, 11:45 PM
I will, however, stand by what I said. Instruction in the illegal use of drugs in any form is inappropriate here.
I believe that you and others have made this point.
Discussions about drugs in general should include the information Gokul described.
I could not disagree more.
[Quote=Evo]Discussions about drugs in general should include the information Gokul described
I could not disagree more.Really? Why do you disagree that people should know the potential harm from drugs? When is making an uneducated decision a good thing?
Prometheus
Oct18-04, 12:12 AM
Really? Why do you disagree that people should know the potential harm from drugs? When is making an uneducated decision a good thing?
Once again I believe that you are greatly misrepresenting my position. Look at the original words:
If discussing specific methods and techniques, it would be inappropriate, unless all the backgound information including the pros and cons of short and long-term neurological/physiological effects of the specific method described are also provided.
I contend that there is an extreme distance between this position, that ALL possible background information be made available in order to be entitled to broach the subject from any perspective, a completely unrealistic demand that could never possibly be satisfied under any practical conditions for anything, and your misinterpretation that my disagreement with this ridiculous impossibiity therefore means that I must be proponing that people are better off unaware of the potential harm from any experience or that I believe that uneducated decisions are ever desirable.
Don't you see that disagreement with the one in no way comes close to implying its opposite, as you seem to suspect?
Gokul43201
Oct18-04, 12:22 AM
I agree that demanding ALL possible information is unrealistic. I would have been happy with a simple warning and a link to an information resource.
What PF considers appropriate is a different matter.
I contend that there is an extreme distance between this position, that ALL possible background information be made available in order to be entitled to broach the subject from any perspective, a completely unrealistic demand that could never possibly be satisfied under any practical conditions for anything, and your misinterpretation that my disagreement with this ridiculous impossibiity therefore means that I must be proponing that people are better off unaware of the potential harm from any experience or that I believe that uneducated decisions are ever desirable.
Don't you see that disagreement with the one in no way comes close to implying its opposite, as you seem to suspect?Your taking the "all" in Gokul's post literally is a bit silly. :rolleyes: I think most people were able to understand the gist of his post. You did too, you are just being argumentative for the sake of arguing and it's not really serving any purpose.
Prometheus
Oct18-04, 12:57 AM
Your taking the "all" in Gokul's post literally is a bit silly. :rolleyes: I think most people were able to understand the gist of his post. You did too, you are just being argumentative for the sake of arguing and it's not really serving any purpose.
Now, you are being ridiculous. Your defense of your error is what is silly. You made an error, and now you are blaming me for your error. How dare you tell me that I should understand that someone did not mean what he clearly said? How dare you tell me that I am just arguing for the sake of arguing, when it is you who are guilty of this very thing.
He said what he said, and he meant what he meant. I claimed that it is ridiculous. If you thought that it was obvious, you could have said so earlier, rather than support a ridiculous contention and tell me what you know that I really think.
I understand your interest in this topic, I suppose. To defend it with hyperbole, and to attack me for not appreciating the ridiculous nature of it, is quite inappropriate. Think of the example that you are setting for all of the young minds out there who look to you for how to respond when you discover that YOU misunderstood another person's post.
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct18-04, 06:15 AM
Instruction in the illegal use of drugs in any form is inappropriate here.
Fair enough, but I think you're missing the bigger picture here. Had I not told the person about vaporisers, he would still use cannabis (probably in the form of a marijuana cigarette/joint). Therefore I am reducing the damage he will be potentially doing to himself, and this can only be a good thing.
I'm promoting harm-reduction, not drug use.
Now, you are being ridiculous. Your defense of your error is what is silly. You made an error, and now you are blaming me for your error. How dare you tell me that I should understand that someone did not mean what he clearly said? How dare you tell me that I am just arguing for the sake of arguing, when it is you who are guilty of this very thing.
He said what he said, and he meant what he meant. I claimed that it is ridiculous. If you thought that it was obvious, you could have said so earlier, rather than support a ridiculous contention and tell me what you know that I really think.
I understand your interest in this topic, I suppose. To defend it with hyperbole, and to attack me for not appreciating the ridiculous nature of it, is quite inappropriate. Think of the example that you are setting for all of the young minds out there who look to you for how to respond when you discover that YOU misunderstood another person's post.What on earth are you talking about? You went on a pointless rant.
Fair enough, but I think you're missing the bigger picture here. Had I not told the person about vaporisers, he would still use cannabis (probably in the form of a marijuana cigarette/joint). Therefore I am reducing the damage he will be potentially doing to himself, and this can only be a good thing.
I'm promoting harm-reduction, not drug use.Surely you don't expect me to buy this.
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct18-04, 01:07 PM
You think I want others to do drugs so that I'm not the only one that gets ****ed up?!
If so, you're wrong.
Once again I believe that you are greatly misrepresenting my position. Look at the original words:You are the one mistaken, here are the posts.
(post #75)
Discussions about drugs in general should include the information Gokul described. (post #75)I could not disagree more.
(post #76)
Really? Why do you disagree that people should know the potential harm from drugs? When is making an uneducated decision a good thing?
I'm not misrepresenting your position. When I said "Discussions about drugs in general should include the information Gokul described." You answered "I could not disagree more."
I asked you why you disagreed and you never answered my question.
You think I want others to do drugs so that I'm not the only one that gets ****ed up?!
If so, you're wrong.No, I think you like to discuss doing drugs.
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct18-04, 01:13 PM
No, I think you like to discuss doing drugs.
Are you hot in real life?
Are you hot in real life?No. I'm pretty chilly.
Gokul43201
Oct18-04, 01:37 PM
I like the direction this thread is headed.... <rubs hands together>
This allows you to smoke weed without having to inhale any smoke. The high is subjectively different, as the ratio of other cannabinoids to THC is altered (this prevents me from having to use heroin, benzos or GHB to reduce paranoia, as I don't get that when using this smoking technique).
Wow, thanks, I had no idea about this. I don't smoke much lately, but my lungs would be very thankful for this a couple of years ago. :biggrin:
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct18-04, 01:50 PM
Wow, thanks, I had no idea about this. I don't smoke much lately, but my lungs would be very thankful for this a couple of years ago. :biggrin:
THERE YOU GO!
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct18-04, 01:50 PM
Hey everyone, I haven't used drugs for three days!!!!!!!!
Hey everyone, I haven't used drugs for three days!!!!!!!!
really? coulda fooled me...your intelligence factor seems to have been wasted away alongside your brain cells from your drug use :smile:
Bad_Boy_Blue
Oct18-04, 02:14 PM
really? coulda fooled me...your intelligence factor seems to have been wasted away alongside your brain cells from your drug use :smile:
Based on maybe one or two posts, you have conluded that I am an idiot.
You're not a very nice person. ***** :)
Prometheus
Oct18-04, 03:23 PM
What on earth are you talking about? You went on a pointless rant.
If you are only going to blather, pelase do not respond to my post.
Prometheus
Oct18-04, 03:27 PM
I asked you why you disagreed and you never answered my question.
Did you not notice my post number 77?
Prometheus
Oct18-04, 03:30 PM
really? coulda fooled me...your intelligence factor seems to have been wasted away alongside your brain cells from your drug use :smile:
Wow. What a powerfully phrased attack that is so well phrased.
Everyone can see the brilliance behind your point, except perhaps for the others of us on this forum.
This was a very cheap shot, completely uncalled for, unjustified, and unsupportable. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
i don't appreciate members of this forum sharing how to use an illegal substance when we have young people-including my kids one day when they are old enough to participate-reading crap like this. i am sure there are a million other websites that will tell you how to smoke crack, but PF is not the place. my "cheap shot" was definitely needed in this instance.
Did you not notice my post number 77?Yes, that's the post I was responding to.
THERE YOU GO!That's been around for ages. No different from using pie tins and bicyle spokes for opium and hash.
Real healthy. :rolleyes:
Sorry, PF is not the place for teaching people how to do drugs.
Prometheus
Oct18-04, 06:57 PM
That's been around for ages. No different from using pie tins and bicyle spokes for opium and hash.
I had not heard about pie tins or bicycle spokes. Can you provide more information. Wait ...
As there are some people on this thread who would not like you to bring up such a topic, would you please refrain from doing so again? Aren't you aware that some people have asked you not to post such things?
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