Proof by Induction: 3^n >= 1+2^n

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality \(3^n \geq 1 + 2^n\) for all natural numbers \(n\) using mathematical induction. Participants explore the steps involved in the proof, addressing both the inductive hypothesis and the necessary conditions to establish the inequality for \(n+1\).

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  • One participant begins the proof by verifying the base case for \(n=1\) and sets up the inductive step assuming \(3^n \geq 1 + 2^n\).
  • Another participant suggests utilizing the inductive hypothesis to facilitate the proof for \(n=k+1\).
  • A different participant proposes simplifying the inequality to show that \(2 \cdot 3^n > 2^n\) is true, based on the observation that \(3 > 2\).
  • Further contributions reiterate the need to demonstrate that \(3^{k+1} \geq 1 + 2^{k+1}\) and hint at the relationships between the constants involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of the base case and the approach to proving the inductive step, but there are variations in how to express and manipulate the inequalities. The discussion remains open with no consensus on the final steps of the proof.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the formatting of mathematical expressions, and there are references to external resources for using LaTeX. The discussion does not resolve all mathematical steps or assumptions involved in the proof.

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Prove that for all n in the natural numbers 3^n greater than or equal to 1+2^n.

Here's my start:
3^1 greater than or equal to 1+2^1, so the statement is true for n=1.
Assume that for some n, 3^n greater than or equal to 1+2^n
Then 3^n+3^n+3^n greater than or equal to 1+2^n +3^n+3^n.
It follows that 3^(n+1) greater than or equal to 1+2^n+2*3^n.


Where do I go from here? I still need to show that 1+2^n+2*3^n is greater than or equal to 1+2^(n+1)

Thanks!
 
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To show 3n+1>1+2n+1
subtract the n expressions from both sides, and you will have to show
2*3n>2n
That looks obviously true,since 3>2.
 
good work mathman!
 
So you'd like to prove that

[tex]3^n\geq 1+2^n[/tex]

using induction. The statement is obviously true for n=1, so all you have to do is to prove that if it's true for n=k, it's also true for n=k+1 (whatever k is).

So you should start like this:

[tex]3^{k+1}=3\cdot 3^k\geq 3(1+2^k)\geq\dots[/tex]

Now all you have to do is to show that this is

[tex]\geq 1+2^{k+1}[/tex]

This is very easy. (Hint: 3>2>1).
 

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