Explaining Magnetic Bottle Force: Why Does It Point Inward?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a magnetic bottle and the behavior of charged particles within it, particularly why the magnetic force points inward. Participants explore concepts related to motion, energy conservation, and the effects of magnetic fields on particle trajectories.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the explanation of why the force in a magnetic bottle points to the center, noting that the velocity of particles changes and seeking clarity on the dynamics involved.
  • Another participant explains that the force from a magnetic field on a charged particle is always perpendicular to its direction of travel, leading to circular motion, but does not change the particle's momentum.
  • A different participant discusses the conservation of energy and angular momentum, stating that as a particle moves towards a stronger magnetic field, its tangential velocity increases while the parallel component decreases, potentially leading to reflection back towards weaker fields.
  • One participant raises a question about the behavior of the particle when it reaches the end of the magnetic bottle, wondering why it does not remain in circular motion and what causes it to move back, suggesting that the magnetic field may not be uniform at that point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of particles within the magnetic bottle, particularly regarding the nature of the magnetic field and the motion of the particles. There is no consensus on the specifics of how the force behaves or the implications of the particle's motion at the ends of the bottle.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential assumptions about the uniformity of the magnetic field and the conditions under which the particle stops, indicating that these factors may influence the discussion but remain unresolved.

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hi, my physics book has a little picture of a magnetic bottle but does not really explain why the force always points to the center. Can you explain it to me. The magnitude of the velocity can never change when in a magnetic field, but the particle will be in Simple harmonic motion inside the bottle because it goes back and fourth. This means the velocity along the axis of the bottle has to change between -v to 0 to v. So it has to be gained somewhere else. Is this gain in how big the rings become, or is it gained in BOTH going faster along BIGGER rings. I am having trouble drawing a diagram to see that the force does point to the center. Every time I try it, I find that the as the magnetic field starts to curve, the component of velocity along the axis of the bottle goes down. But the gain in velocity is along the spiral path. This does not make much sense, because this would not mean a force pointing to the center of the bottle. It would just always point to the center of circular spiral like a centripetal force does. Thanks for any help you give me.
 
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The force generated by a magnetic field on a charged particle is always perpendicular to the direction of travel.
This, for the single magnet case, means particles go in a circle.
The momentum of the particle does not change.
The center of particle motion relative to the center of the bottle depends on how/where it was injected.
Does that help?
 
Energy and angular momentum are conserved so that as a charged particle moves along magnetic flux lines towards stronger magnetic field its perpendicular (tangential) velocity must increase because the gyroradius is getting smaller. Therefore, the component of velocity parallel to the magneitic field must decrease. Eventually, the parallel component goes to zero if the magnetic field gets strong enough and the particle "reflects" back toward the region of weaker field. This is the same principle that allows for the formation of the auroras near the poles.
 
What happens when it reaches the other end and comes to a stop. At that instant, how come it does not just sit there and go around in a circle at a much faster rate, (since it converted its forward speed into rotational speed in order for speed to be constant). Whats causing it to move back after that instant, the magnetic field should be nearly straight by the time it comes to a stop at the other end. Unless I am incorrect in assuming it stops at some point at which the field is "uniform." Would it be more sensible to say that it stops somewhere like, 3/4 of the way down, at which point its clearly not uniform.

If it were uniform when it stopped, then there would be no way for it to be pulled back in would there? It would sit there going around and around at a rapid speed.
 

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