How do these straight line lasers work?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functionality of straight line lasers, particularly those advertised as capable of projecting laser beams around corners. Participants explore the mechanisms behind these devices, questioning the claims made in advertisements and discussing potential explanations for their operation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the claim that lasers can project around corners without the use of mirrors, suggesting that it seems impossible.
  • One participant proposes that the placement of the laser on a wall opposite the corner allows it to shine across and illuminate corners, challenging the assumption that the device must be on the same wall as the corner.
  • Another participant suggests that the laser beam might be scanned rapidly across the wall, which could allow for a more powerful beam while maintaining safety.
  • Some participants mention the use of revolving mirrors in laser levels, speculating that similar technology could be used in the indoor lasers discussed.
  • There is a suggestion that even if the laser does not sweep 360 degrees, it can still project around a corner to a limited extent, depending on the angle of projection and placement.
  • One participant argues that the laser's straight-line travel is a fundamental property, emphasizing that placement is key to achieving the desired projection.
  • Another participant acknowledges the potential for misleading advertising but also defends the idea that the devices can function as advertised without being dishonest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact mechanisms by which the lasers operate or the validity of the advertising claims. Multiple competing views remain regarding the feasibility of the laser's ability to project around corners and the technology involved.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include assumptions about the device's placement and functionality, as well as the lack of clarity on the specific technology used in the lasers. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the advertisements and the potential for different models of operation.

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I am not sure what the thing is actually called, but let me see if I can describe it. It is one of those products advertised on tv, that you put on a wall and it shoots a laser beam all along the surface parallel with the ground.

The problem I can't figure out is, some of them claim it can go around corners (i.e. around a corner onto a wall the device can't even see directly).

It seems like this should be impossible to me, and I can't figure out how it would work. Anyone have any idea?

-JasonZ
 
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Light can go around a corner if you use a mirror! :-)
 
Tide said:
Light can go around a corner if you use a mirror! :-)

Haha, of course...but they don't claim to use any mirror in this commercial.

-JasonZ
 
Light can go around a corner to a small degree by diffraction, but in your case I doubt this is so, because from what you described, it sounds like the laser has to make a 90° turn. I don't know what this advertisement is trying to sell, but if it's something like a detector, then it could be possible that this laser can go through walls.
 
It's called the Laser Straight, and you can Google it. I found this: http://www.asseenontv.com/prod-pages/laser_straight.html?gid=


As for the "going around corners" mystery, it's a "think outside the box" problem. What does it mean to go around a corner? We *assume* that the device is attached to the same wall that has the corner.

No, the laser is not the trick, the placement is the trick - just attach it to a wall *opposite* your corner, and point it strategically. It shines across everything - inner corners as well as outer corners!

Look at the images here: http://www.surftilyoudrop.com/laser-straight.htm
 
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DaveC426913 said:
It's called the Laser Straight, and you can Google it. I found this: http://www.asseenontv.com/prod-pages/laser_straight.html?gid=


As for the "going around corners" mystery, it's a "think outside the box" problem. What does it mean to go around a corner? We *assume* that the device is attached to the same wall that has the corner.

No, the laser is not the trick, the placement is the trick - just attach it to a wall *opposite* your corner, and point it strategically. It shines across everything - inner corners as well as outer corners!

Look at the images here: http://www.surftilyoudrop.com/laser-straight.htm

Yes, it appears from those pictures that the laser comes out as a straight line rather than a single spot. That is, if you shine it on the wall, it looks like:
"____________________________________"
rather than
"."

Thus, if you put it on the opposite wall, it will illuminate all corners.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
It's called the Laser Straight, and you can Google it. I found this: http://www.asseenontv.com/prod-pages/laser_straight.html?gid=


As for the "going around corners" mystery, it's a "think outside the box" problem. What does it mean to go around a corner? We *assume* that the device is attached to the same wall that has the corner.

No, the laser is not the trick, the placement is the trick - just attach it to a wall *opposite* your corner, and point it strategically. It shines across everything - inner corners as well as outer corners!

Look at the images here: http://www.surftilyoudrop.com/laser-straight.htm


Well that makes perfect sense..though I really could have sworn they had it placed on the same wall it was going around, in the commercial. Maybe they really didn't have it attached and the guy was just holding it, to kind of trick the audience...though I don't see why they would do that.

Either way, its a neat little gadget :)

Thanks for the googling.

-JasonZ
 
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My first thought is that the beam is scanned. They are moving it rapidly back and forth across the wall. You would see only a spot, if it held still long enough.

The scanning would also enable them to have a bit more powerful beam, and remain safe. Should you happen to look into the device, since the beam is continuously moving, it will not be in one place long enough to instantly damage your eyes.

I would not recommend staring into the beam irregardless.
 
I have used laser levels for preparing the ground prior to concrete work. I would imagine the ones used indoors work the same way. They basically have a laser shooting straight up or down and a revolving mirror to make a complete 360 degree sweep. It is entirely possible that the indoor lasers work the same way. You may have seen it placed next to a wall in the commercial and noticed the beam on that wall. Then the next scene showed a corner on an opposite wall and what do you know, there is a line going around the corner. Advertising gimmick. Although technically not dishonest, it is somewhat misleading. Incidentally, they work quite well. Speeds up dirt work incredibly.
 
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Even if this model doesn't sweep 360 degrees it can still project around a corner (just not very far). If the beamlet sweeps let say 5 degrees and you place it flat on a wall 10 feet from the corner, the beam project along the wall the device is on the 10 feet to the corner and around the corner about 10.5 inches. They could have it sweep any angle they wanted. 5 degrees was just for the sake of example.
 
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Macgyver I don't understand what you are talking about. Laser beams travel in straight lines. At least for the purpose of THIS discussion. As someone has already said, it is all in placement. My main point is that the laser is placed so that it sweeps across an opposing corner.
 
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Averagesupernova said:
... You may have seen it placed next to a wall in the commercial and noticed the beam on that wall. Then the next scene showed a corner on an opposite wall and what do you know, there is a line going around the corner. Advertising gimmick. Although technically not dishonest, it is somewhat misleading. ...

Sorry Averagesupernova, I wasn’t very clear. I was just pointing out that you can have a wide angle projection (project a line) that does not emanate 360 degrees around the source. You can use a spinning mirror or a refractive lens to produce a projected arc that is smaller than the arc of the 360 degree devices you were referring to. This is how the devices advertised on TV can do what they show. I don’t believe it to be misleading advertising.

But I suppose I am just disputing details and repeating what others already said. That’s my fault for just skimming through what was posted.
 

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