Finding the Error in Calculating ε

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of strain (ε) in a vertically hanging rod subjected to a weight (P). The original poster presents a formula for ε and attempts to reconcile it with a known correct answer, leading to questions about the underlying assumptions and calculations related to energy, volume, and stress distribution.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive ε using energy equations and relationships involving Young's modulus, but questions arise regarding the treatment of tension in the rod. Some participants suggest that the tension varies along the length of the rod, which may affect the calculations.

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Participants are actively exploring the implications of varying tension and stress within the rod. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider average stress in the calculations, and some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between average stress and strain.

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There is a focus on the assumptions made about uniform tension and the implications of using average values in the calculations. The original poster's approach to energy and volume is also questioned, indicating potential gaps in the understanding of the physical principles involved.

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I have the following problem:
The specimen (rod) is hanging vertically. Weight=P. Young's modulus = E. Area = S. What is the ε-?
ε = dL/L

As I know Energy U=V*(E*ε ^2)/2, where V-volume
And the work is A=P*dL(dL of center of mass)
In this case A=p*dL/2
So it must be that ε =P/(E*S)
But the correct answer is ε =P/(2*E*S)
Where is the mistake?
 
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Yegor said:
So it must be that ε =P/(E*S)
But the correct answer is ε =P/(2*E*S)
Where is the mistake?
I can't quite figure out what you're doing with energy and volume. But I suspect that your mistake is in treating the rod as if the tension were the same throughout, which is not the case.
 
Ok. In final moment Energy is equal U=V*(E*ε ^2)/2=V*(σ*ε/2),
where σ-stress (tension), (σ=F/S=E*ε (Hook's law)
But the "tension is not the same throughout".
It changes from 0 to P/S.
What I should do?
 
Yegor said:
But the "tension is not the same throughout".
It changes from 0 to P/S.
What I should do?
The stress ranges from 0 (at the bottom) to P/S at the top. So the average stress is 1/2 P/S. Thus the overall strain is P/(2 E S), where E is Young's modulus.
 

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