Coin Rolling Up Incline, no mass given?

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The problem involves a coin rolling up an inclined plane with a specified angle and initial angular speed, but lacks the mass of the coin. Participants are exploring the dynamics of the situation, particularly focusing on energy conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using energy conservation, specifically potential energy and kinetic energy, to analyze the problem. There are attempts to equate initial kinetic energy with final potential energy, and questions arise regarding the role of mass in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem without needing the mass, suggesting that it will cancel out in the calculations. However, there are differing interpretations of the initial kinetic energy, leading to confusion and a lack of consensus on the correct approach.

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Participants note the absence of mass as a constraint and discuss its implications on the calculations. There is also mention of the need to consider both translational and rotational kinetic energy in the analysis.

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Coin Rolling Up Incline, no mass given!?

1. [SFHS99 8.P.46.] A coin with a diameter of 3.40 cm rolls up a 27.0° inclined plane. The coin starts with an initial angular speed of 55.0 rad/s and rolls in a straight line without slipping. How far does it roll up the inclined plane?

Having some troubles with this problem, since it doesn't give the mass of the object. I have no problems doing this type of problem when a mass is given, I just use the formula a = (mg sin0)/(m+(I/R^2)), then convert that to angular acceleration, and use angular kinematic equations to find the delta theta, and convert that into a meter value by multiplying the radius by the angular displacement. That doesn't work here though, since I have no mass! Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
 
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You have to use potential energy and angular kinetic energy to get the answer. Don't worry about the mass, it'll be canceled in the end of your calculation.
 
Used KEi = PEf, solved for KEi and PEf, got KEi = .2186M, and PEf = 9.81MH. Since KEi = PEf, .2186M = 9.81MH, the mass on each side cancel out, so .2186 = 9.81H, then solve for H, i got .0223 meters, then divide that by sin(27) to get the value of the hypotenuse, which gave me .0491 meters for my answer, which the online homework is telling me is wrong! Sorry if this didn't make much sense I'm rushed in typing it.
 
Don't forget that the coin has more than just rotational kinetic energy in the beginning. It also has some translational kinetic energy in the beginning.

--J
 
Your KEi is wrong. The I should be 1/2mr^2+mr^2
 

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