New Header

[Tom McCurdy]

Woah... I thought I went to the wrong site at first...

what do you guys think of the new header

[honestrosewater]

"Physics" looks puny. Everything else is nice.

[BoulderHead]

I think it is very attractive and a definite improvement.

[Kerrie]

I love it!

[Greg Bernhardt]

Here is a banner ad I'm working on too, you might see it on other science sites soon :smile:

http://physicsforums.com/misc/banner.html

[The_Professional]

The new banner is off the hook! GREAT JOB!!

[Moonbear]

I love it!!! So much fresher looking than the old banner. And even though it moves, it's not at a frenetic pace, so it isn't distracting. Same for the PF banner ad. Clean and simple and just enough motion to catch your attention without making you motionsick or inducing epilepsy.

[Gokul43201]

I love it too...but picked "like it" just to provide incentive of improvement. I shouldn't have said that now, should I ?

[Bystander]

One more poll response: "Goddamned nuisance." Link the user profiles to a "no" response to the "download macromedia flash" query. Punching "no" every time I take a navigation step is gonna get real tired real fast.

[PerennialII]

Despite the loss of Albert its very cool indeed. The ad one should stand above the mass as well.

[honestrosewater]

One more poll response: "Goddamned nuisance." Link the user profiles to a "no" response to the "download macromedia flash" query. Punching "no" every time I take a navigation step is gonna get real tired real fast.

Does the alert box not have something like a "Don't ask me again" option?

[CrankFan]

looks cool, but how did you know in advance? I kinda miss Einstein!

[Tom McCurdy]

Here is a banner ad I'm working on too, you might see it on other science sites soon :smile:

http://physicsforums.com/misc/banner.html

Very nice work, Do you use just MX for your flash?

[Bystander]

Does the alert box not have something like a "Don't ask me again" option?

Nope. Nuttin' in "options," nor in "user control panel." A steenking nuisance.

[Greg Bernhardt]

Nope. Nuttin' in "options," nor in "user control panel." A steenking nuisance.

I don't understand, you don't want to install flash?

[Jake]

Good Improve, but you must add a transition with Einstein! :tounge:

[hitssquad]

you don't want to install flash?Some people are easily distracted (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:daE5eJrmfuMJ:www.kidsource.com/kidsource/content2/add.html+%22attention+deficit+disorder%22+%22easil y+distracted%22&hl=en). I am one of those people, so (long ago) I turned off all animation in Internet Explorer (my main browser sofware) and also uninstalled Flash (since that is only way to turn its animations off). I did not know that your new logo banner was in Flash until it was pointed out in this thread. Up until then, I had figured the PF banner server was broken.

Since I do have Flash enabled in my back-up browser software, Opera, I am able to switch to that on the fly to selectively view flash animations. Just now, I viewed your new Flash banner for the first time.


You can find some tips here...
http://www.washington.edu/doit/Brochures/Technology/universal.design.html

...on making webpages accessible to people with disabilities. You might make profitable note, in particular, of this tip:

Provide audio description and captions or transcripts of video.
If your multimedia resources provided on your site include video, people who can not see will be unable to use this information unless it is provided in an alternative format. A text transcription provided with the video will give a visitor who cannot see, or who doesn't have the appropriate viewing software, access to the information in your video clip.
Thank you for your attention.

[Bystander]

I don't understand, you don't want to install flash?

Absolutely do not --- I've got enough software conflicts to referee among programs that actually do something.

[Greg Bernhardt]

Absolutely do not --- I've got enough software conflicts to referee among programs that actually do something.

Flash has become a standard, resistance is futile :smile:
What kind of conflicts are you running into, I've never known any.

[Bystander]

Flash has become a standard, resistance is futile :smile:
What kind of conflicts are you running into, I've never known any.

"Standard?" (Hell --- now the smileys won't work) "Standard" in computer science is people tinkering with working software until it's no longer useful --- then the IPO and retirement --- or turning into m-soft. Truth be told, Greg, this is the first time I've run into a site that demands flash --- prolly not that standard.

Conflicts? Anything that takes over a browser as aggressively as the "yes/no/help/"always trust this software" " window hooked on your header isn't going to get the chance --- you, I trust --- the software "industry?" Dream on.

Maybe you can reserve this as one of the cash membership "perks."

[mattmns]

It looks great, but there is one thing that I feel is missing.

I am not 100% sure, but I think the last one had a link to the homepage (www.physicsforums.com), could whoever made this one add in that feature. :smile:

Personally I don't like to hit refresh because my refresh button is quite small.

[Greg Bernhardt]

"Standard?" (Hell --- now the smileys won't work) "Standard" in computer science is people tinkering with working software until it's no longer useful --- then the IPO and retirement --- or turning into m-soft. Truth be told, Greg, this is the first time I've run into a site that demands flash --- prolly not that standard.

Conflicts? Anything that takes over a browser as aggressively as the "yes/no/help/"always trust this software" " window hooked on your header isn't going to get the chance --- you, I trust --- the software "industry?" Dream on.

Maybe you can reserve this as one of the cash membership "perks."

Wow you seem pretty disgrunted over such a small thing, your almost scaring. PF doesn't "demand", the header just won't load without flash. Flash has been around for years now, nothing to be afraid of. There are hordes of sites that make use of flash in positive ways. I don't understand the whole "yes/no/help/"always trust this software" stuff, what browser and OS are you using? I've been web designing for years and been apart of many web design communities and have never known any major conflictions with flash when browsing a site when installed, please enlighten me.

[Moonbear]

Conflicts? Anything that takes over a browser as aggressively as the "yes/no/help/"always trust this software" " window hooked on your header isn't going to get the chance --- you, I trust --- the software "industry?" Dream on.



:confused: That's not a conflict, that's the software telling you you need flash to view the image. Isn't there a checkbox somewhere that you can tell it, "don't ask again?"

Alternatively, Greg, is there a way to set up the banner so it just shows an empty box if someone doesn't have flash installed? I've been to sites, before I installed flash, where just nothing would happen if I didn't have flash installed. I never was asked repeatedly if I wanted to install it, but I don't remember if that was something I did, or a cookie the site used to remember I told it I didn't want to download flash (this was back before I knew if flash was something I could trust or not).

[hitssquad]

is there a way to set up the banner so it just shows an empty box if someone doesn't have flash installed?As it is now, it shows an empty box:
http://www.efn.org/~callen/pfnoflashbanner.jpg

[Moonbear]

As it is now, it shows an empty box:
http://www.efn.org/~callen/pfnoflashbanner.jpg

Then I don't understand what Bystander is having a problem with. Since you also have Flash turned off, do you get a pop-up window on every page asking to install Flash?

[hitssquad]

Since you also have Flash turned off, do you get a pop-up window on every page asking to install Flash?Perhaps I used to. I uninstalled Flash so long ago that I cannot remember if Flashed sites caused me to get a pop-up. If they did, I don't get them anymore, and so perhaps at one point in time I clicked a "don't remind me anymore" check-box. All I get now when I go to most Flashed sites are empty boxes and/or a reroute to a reminder page such as:
http://www.theauragroup.com/noflash.html


Edit: I also have some Active-X capabilities disabled in my security settings.

[dduardo]

I didn't even notice there was a new banner since I have the Adblock extension for firefox. It replaces all flash animations with a play button.

My only gripe with the new logo is that I can't just click it to go to the home page.

[Moonbear]

Perhaps I used to. I uninstalled Flash so long ago that I cannot remember if Flashed sites caused me to get a pop-up. If they did, I don't get them anymore, and so perhaps at one point in time I clicked a "don't remind me anymore" check-box. All I get now when I go to most Flashed sites are empty boxes and/or a reroute to a reminder page such as:
http://www.theauragroup.com/noflash.html


So, if I understand correctly, if you completely uninstall Flash, you won't get the pop-ups? So, does that mean Bystander must have some components installed that he gets a pop-up? I was thinking he was getting the pop-up because he doesn't have Flash installed. Now I'm really confused. :confused:

[Moonbear]

I didn't even notice there was a new banner since I have the Adblock extension for firefox. It replaces all flash animations with a play button.

My only gripe with the new logo is that I can't just click it to go to the home page.

:uhh: I guess I won't miss that feature too much since I never knew I could do it before. :tongue2:

[Bystander]

So, if I understand correctly, if you completely uninstall Flash, you won't get the pop-ups? So, does that mean Bystander must have some components installed that he gets a pop-up? I was thinking he was getting the pop-up because he doesn't have Flash installed. Now I'm really confused. :confused:


Moot point ---the inevitable has happened.

For Greg: today ('bout an hour prior to this post) is the first time I've run into "flash" elsewhere on the net (via IE) --- some story about beached whales in OZ. Same quarter screen size window, smack in the center, with the yes/no/more info options for loading flash --- one other switch, "always trust macromedia".

Moonbear, the headache was getting that damned window every time I switched forums, threads, replied to a thread, moved to another thread, for every navigational step, and not having a "shove this window six feet under with a stake through its heart at a crossroads at midnight" option. Aggressive! Obnoxiously aggressive! Suspiciously, obnoxiously aggressive software annoys the hell out of me. "Conflict" had to do with the fact that I ain't gonna give it a chance to create problems --- previous versions have been associated (no criminal convictions) with real problems.

As I say, "moot" --- its appearance was nearly simultaneous with a permission window from my firewall --- I've got a mouse that "bounces" (multiple clicks) prolly one of ten or twenty uses --- the two windows superimposed, and the "flash yes" apparently superimposed over the firewall option I hit.

Good goods? Slow as molasses --- the header's about a thirty second pause before it even starts painting a blank area --- I'm long gone down the page before then. Tempest in a teapot? Yeah. Jehovah's witnesses on the front porch get the same treatment from me --- "you like it, you waste your time with it, NOT mine."

[Greg Bernhardt]

Moot point ---the inevitable has happened.

For Greg: today ('bout an hour prior to this post) is the first time I've run into "flash" elsewhere on the net (via IE) --- some story about beached whales in OZ. Same quarter screen size window, smack in the center, with the yes/no/more info options for loading flash --- one other switch, "always trust macromedia".


Sounds like that is an IE problem, not flash. IE is giving you the popup, not flash. Given your attitude towards technology, it is very odd your even using IE which hasn't been updated in nearly 4 years and isn't close to conforming to web standards. Switch to firefox.


Moonbear, the headache was getting that damned window every time I switched forums, threads, replied to a thread, moved to another thread, for every navigational step, and not having a "shove this window six feet under with a stake through its heart at a crossroads at midnight" option. Aggressive! Obnoxiously aggressive! Suspiciously, obnoxiously aggressive software annoys the hell out of me. "Conflict" had to do with the fact that I ain't gonna give it a chance to create problems --- previous versions have been associated (no criminal convictions) with real problems.


Install flash, your creating more headaches for yourself. If you'd just install flash in the first place we wouldn't be having this topic and you'd be surfing around like a champ. Strange your still using windows, even though past windows versions have been horrible, so why give up on flash? Flash is no longer a kiddy toy. espn.com, paypal.com, ebay.com, palm.com, rr.com and tons more large companies are even using flash on their websites.


As I say, "moot" --- its appearance was nearly simultaneous with a permission window from my firewall --- I've got a mouse that "bounces" (multiple clicks) prolly one of ten or twenty uses --- the two windows superimposed, and the "flash yes" apparently superimposed over the firewall option I hit.


Again, this is IE and your firewalls problem. This is why your the only one with problems. Stop blaming flash.


Good goods? Slow as molasses --- the header's about a thirty second pause before it even starts painting a blank area --- I'm long gone down the page before then. Tempest in a teapot? Yeah. Jehovah's witnesses on the front porch get the same treatment from me --- "you like it, you waste your time with it, NOT mine."

Loads in less than a second and I'm on basic cable internet service. Then again considering your stance on technology you may need to upgrade from your 14.4kb modem :wink:

[hitssquad]

Sounds like that is an IE problem, not flash. IE is giving you the popup, not flash.IE is giving me neither a problem nor a pop-up. It does, however, give me a nice big blank rectangle where the PF title banner used to be.



Switch to firefox.But...
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22firefox+sucks%22



Install flashIf I had Flash installed, then, because of the distraction, I would not be able to read your website.



your creating more headaches for yourself.No Flash = no Flash headaches and no Flash distractions.



espn.com, paypal.com, ebay.com, palm.com, rr.com and tons more large companies are even using flash on their websites.It seems unlikely that eBay and Paypal would be using Flash on their sites. I would surmise that accessibility is the main reason. Checking their homepages just now, it looks indeed like neither of those companies has Flashed their sites.

[Greg Bernhardt]

IE is giving me neither a problem nor a pop-up. It does, however, give me a nice big blank rectangle where the PF title banner used to be.



But...
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22firefox+sucks%22


None of those sites are credible and most are reference beta versions. And of course it's not perfect now, but it's on the right track and a heck of a lot better than IE.


If I had Flash installed, then, because of the distraction, I would not be able to read your website.


Fair enough, even though it's way up at the top. I might consider a control switch in the near future.



It seems unlikely that eBay and Paypal would be using Flash on their sites. I would surmise that accessibility is the main reason. Checking their homepages just now, it looks indeed like neither of those companies has Flashed their sites.

Ebay does use flash on their homepage sometimes for special events. Target.com, cnn.com and canon.com have all used flash too.

[hitssquad]

So, if I understand correctly, if you completely uninstall Flash, you won't get the pop-ups?The reverse seems to be Bystander's case. Maybe this will help:

"Perhaps I used to. I uninstalled Flash so long ago that I cannot remember if Flashed sites caused me to get a pop-up."

That's what I wrote. Now, let's add a clause at the end to make it clearer:

"Perhaps I used to. I uninstalled Flash so long ago that I cannot remember if Flashed sites caused me to get a pop-up after I had uninstalled Flash and reminding me to install Flash."


Edit: Actually, maybe this works better:

"Perhaps I used to. I uninstalled Flash so long ago that I cannot remember whether or not, after I had uninstalled Flash, Flashed sites initially caused me to get a pop-up reminding me to install Flash."

[hitssquad]

Fair enough, even though it's way up at the top. I might consider a control switch in the near future.Thank you. A control switch would be appreciated by me.

[AKG]

Suggestion: the banner should link to the PF homepage. The old one did, and I remember using that somtimes.