How Do You Solve 4x=7 (mod 45) Using Remodularization Concepts?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation 4x = 7 (mod 45) using concepts of remodularization and multiplicative inverses. Participants explore different methods for finding solutions and express uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their understanding of the concept and proposes a method that leads to potential solutions x = 13 and x = 28 (mod 45).
  • Another participant challenges the initial approach, stating that the method used may not be valid and emphasizes the need to find the multiplicative inverse of 4 modulo 45.
  • A participant reports successfully finding x = 13 using the multiplicative inverse method and acknowledges the importance of correctness over chance.
  • Another participant warns that the previous method may introduce incorrect answers and suggests using Euclid's algorithm to find multiplicative inverses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the validity of the initial method proposed for solving the equation. Multiple competing views on the correct approach remain, with some advocating for the multiplicative inverse method while others question the reliability of the initial claims.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved concerns regarding the correctness of the initial method and the potential for incorrect solutions arising from it. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in applying modular arithmetic principles.

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i'm not sure if i understand this concept at all.
for finding all the solutions (mod 45) of

4x=7 (mod 45), we know that solutions exist, b/c the gcd (4, 45)=1 which divides 7.
then
4x= [52,97,112,157] (mod 45*4)
4x= 52 (mod 180) and 4x=112(mod 180).
these reduce to x=13 (mod 45) and x=28 (mod 45) respectively.
then x=13, 28 (mod 45)?

i feel like I'm missing some important step or piece of the concept.
 
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There is certainly something you've not quite grasped. In particular you may not say that since

a=b mod p

then

a=b+rp mod ap


this just is not going to help even if it were true, which it isn't guaranteed to be, though by some *fluke* it may give an answer.

What you need to do is find the multiplicatice inverse of 4 modulo 45.

since 4*11=-1 mod 45

you should be able to solve it from there.
 
i tried it your way, finding the multiplicative inverse, and got x=13.

Then I tried my method with 4x= 0 (mod 45) to get x=0, which works with your method as well. i don't know where i got the formula. but thank you. i'd rather do the problem right than do it by fluke.
 
You've just introduced new answers - a little like squaring. I've not chekced to see if your method must produce the correct answer, but it vertainly must produce incorrect ones, and it isn't nec. clear whioh of them is or insn't going to be correct without substituting back.

To find multiplicative inverses one only needs to use eulcid's algorithm.
 

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