Why do human males care so much of their penis size? The answer to this question is simply sexual
selection. A long time ago females choose males by sexual selection, then during evolution that pratice went a way, but not instinctly. Males have this instinct that their penis would get them a female, embedded in male's minds. Any thoughts to my theory?
Mentat
Sep12-03, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Turtle
Why do human males care so much of their penis size? The answer to this question is simply sexual
selection. A long time ago females choose males by sexual selection, then during evolution that pratice went a way, but not instinctly. Males have this instinct that their penis would get them a female, embedded in male's minds. Any thoughts to my theory?
Um...yeah...I have one thought: [g)]
Turtle
Sep12-03, 04:11 PM
Why?
FZ+
Sep12-03, 07:18 PM
Er... hmm... I think it more a cultural thing...
Gale
Sep12-03, 09:12 PM
humans care about how they look, how big their nose and eyes are, their butts, their chest, there muscles and whatnot. the penis is just one more thing to brag and boast about or be ashamed of. guys compare it just like anyother part of the body. perhaps it may have added significance because it's... hidden away, but aside from that, nah. personally, i think there is way weirder things that guys compare... but the one thats springing to my mind... well i'm not sure how appropriate it is here...
Turtle
Sep13-03, 01:16 PM
humans care about how they look, how big their nose and eyes are, their butts,
their chest, there muscles and whatnot. the penis is just one more thing to brag
and boast about or be ashamed of. guys compare it just like anyother part of the
body. perhaps it may have added significance because it's... hidden away, but
aside from that, nah. personally, i think there is way weirder things that guys
compare... but the one thats springing to my mind... well i'm not sure how
appropriate it is here...
The caring of how one looks go back to human days of sexual selection.
Robert Zaleski
Sep13-03, 06:44 PM
I've never been able to understand it. HOLY MOLY! I'm late for the pole vault competition.
Another God
Sep14-03, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Turtle
A long time ago females choose males by sexual selection, then during evolution that pratice went a way, but not instinctly. Males have this instinct that their penis would get them a female, embedded in male's minds. Any thoughts to my theory?
I don't think you mean that 'sexual selection' went away do you? I thin you mean that the sexual selection based on penis size went away.
This may seem to be the case in todays society, but we can't really be sure. Females do still notice penis size. It's pretty hard to miss in a sexual relationship. How big a role it plays in mate selection though is something I can't really comment on, and I doubt anyone else here could. Social dynamics have probably changed too much in the past 5 thousand years for evolution to possibly adapt our instincts to our situation, so things would be confused.
As for the original hypothesis, that penis size played a role in sexual selection, i have to point out that even this point is not certain, and if it did play a role, it was probably only one of many determining factors. So not only do you need to have some reason to believe that penis size was selected by females, but you also need to show that it played a large enough role in the selection process to really influence anything.
zoobyshoe
Sep15-03, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by Turtle
Males have this instinct that their penis would get them a female, embedded in male's minds. Any thoughts to my theory?
I don't believe men
start off with any instinctual
notions about the size of their
penis and getting women. If you
come to believe this is important
it is because you have been taught
that it is by other people, men
or women.
I have found it to be a fact that
a good proportion of women will
speak of a larger penis as a more
attractive prospect. The word
larger is the operative
word. It usually comes down to the
desire to upgrade relative to what they're used to, rather than to
find the most humongous man there
is.
A woman of my acquaintence once
told me the story of how her
urinary tract was collapsed (or
some such thing) after she began
having sex with an exceptionally
large man. The doctor had to insert some kind of expander in
it to open it back up, which was
painful and strange. This man was
just too big for her.
For most women, though, the
"desire to upgrade" as I put it
seems to take a back seat to the
usually stronger desire to be in-
timate with someone with whom they
feel strong emotional attachment.
If there is anything authentically
instinctual in this whole issue I
think it is here: women will be
more drawn to bond with the man
who seems to them to be the more
loyal husband and father. The reason is obvious - they don't
want to have to raise kids alone.
Some women don't want to have kids
at all, and western society has
finally adjusted to accomodate
them. These women may or may not
want to get married. They may or may not be in persuit of larger
penises in the hope of greater
pleasure.
A concluding twist: I think the
phenomenon of men bragging to each
other about penis size is a whole
separate issue from mating and
natural selection, if you catch my
drift.
radagast
Sep15-03, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Turtle
The caring of how one looks go back to human days of sexual selection.
Perhaps, but you're assuming that most previous cultures also assumed that a big penis was 'attractive'. Currently, big breasts are considered attractive in western culture, but this isn't universal. In ancient Rome, it was common for women to bind their breasts (even during sex) - apparently big breasts were considered unattractive.
There is a danger in generalizing our current culture to all cultures.
Turtle
Sep16-03, 04:00 PM
I don't think you mean that 'sexual selection' went away do you? I thin you mean
that the sexual selection based on penis size went away.
Penis size, but other form of selection with it, went away but the instinct is within us, women as well have their sexual selection instincts within them.
Perhaps, but you're assuming that most previous cultures also assumed that a big
penis was 'attractive'. Currently, big breasts are considered attractive in western
culture, but this isn't universal. In ancient Rome, it was common for women to bind
their breasts (even during sex) - apparently big breasts were considered
unattractive.
There is a danger in generalizing our current culture to all cultures.
All cultures of sexual selection instincts.
JC
Mar11-04, 07:26 PM
The evolution of the human penis may to tied to the evolution of walking upright, the development of the brain, and the devolopment of emotion. Face to face copulation is more feasible with upright humans and, arguably, more intimate. However, the female sexual organ was still more towards the rear. As a result, a larger penis is needed for copulation. Therefore, woman chose (women do the choosing) larger endowed men. This is where it, most likely, started. In order to reach the large size that it is now, the evolutionary process had to start well before cultural influences had a play, and the instinct is still being passed down.
In addition, an English school did a study on whether the position of vagina was still evolving towards the front of the body. They found that 30% of women's vaginas were still positioned closer to the rear. Does the instinct still have necessity? Perhaps.
Culteral influences may have a role, but more so in the far future, as evolution does not happen overnight. Even explosive evolution still need thousands of years.
An interesting question is whether the vaginal canal has evolved to accommodate a larger penis. If penises are getting bigger while the position of the vagina is moving foward, there may be a need for adaptation.
jammieg
Mar27-04, 11:46 PM
How big is a lesbian's penis?
Kerrie
Mar28-04, 12:02 AM
A woman of my acquaintence once
told me the story of how her
urinary tract was collapsed (or
some such thing) after she began
having sex with an exceptionally
large man. The doctor had to insert some kind of expander in
it to open it back up, which was
painful and strange. This man was
just too big for her.
this is absolutely true, especially for the small petite women...it can be very painful and unenjoyable...so men, don't be too sensitive if your manhood isn't all what you think it should be! it's quality over quanity in this instance...
julianmummery
Jun17-04, 06:06 AM
Hmmm,
Large penises only contribute to large egos and serve no other bioligical purpose. In fact the female can accomodate a vast range of sizes from small to large and the muscles inside the vagina will change shape to accomodate, therefore should feel the same.
Also the most sensitive part of the vagina is the first two inches. So there you go, nature has come up with a plan so no one gets left out.
Any other reason for large ones is silly.
Kerrie
Jun17-04, 09:27 PM
In fact the female can accomodate a vast range of sizes from small to large and the muscles inside the vagina will change shape to accomodate, therefore should feel the same.
Also the most sensitive part of the vagina is the first two inches. So there you go, nature has come up with a plan so no one gets left out.
are you male or female? if male, then i think this is wishful thinking.
decibel
Jun17-04, 10:28 PM
ummm.....lol
i'v always been happy :wink:
Thallium
Jun18-04, 10:17 AM
i don't care for their sizes. But I'm a woman. As long as he is a man, I am quite, quite happy!
arivero
Jun18-04, 10:36 AM
Why do human males care so much of their penis size? The answer to this question is simply sexual selection.
Sure. To procreate, females have an almost 100% trend to choose mates of the opposite sex. Er... perhaps do you mean "artificial selection based on secondary sexual characters"?.
In any case, one should be careful not to invoking natural selection here. The differences between artificial -cattle, dogs, horses- and natural selection are well explained in the "origin of the species". Natural, Darwinian, selection does not work choosing positive individual characteristics, but by extinguishing species with a negative collective characteristic.
Evo
Jun19-04, 08:37 PM
In fact the female can accomodate a vast range of sizes from small to large and the muscles inside the vagina will change shape to accomodate, therefore should feel the same.No, it doesn't feel the same at all. Size is important.
I disagree however with turtle's assumption that women selected men based on that. In prehistoric cultures I doubt women had much choice, and if they did, it would be someone who was a good protector and provider.
Loren Booda
Jun20-04, 01:48 AM
I find amusing that this thread on the "penis" was started by "Turtle," of all associations.
The diminuative pygmy males pride themselves by tying weights to their members, which stretch to a fair proportion of their owner's stature.
The female hyena's phallus is considerably larger than the corresponding male's penis.
Have any of you run across the book "Facts and Phalluses"?
Which is more important for sexual sensation, size or kind intimacy? This reminds me of the male obsession for tighter vaginas, once leading to complications in childbirth or even still the rape of children.
loseyourname
Jun20-04, 01:57 AM
As long as the woman knows how to use her Kegel muscles, she needn't be all that tight.
Loren Booda
Jun20-04, 02:35 AM
This thread has an over 100:1 ratio of views to posts. Voyeurs, or just bashful? :redface:
No wonder the success of "enlargement" spam. :rolleyes:
Loren Booda
Jun20-04, 02:39 AM
loseyourname,
Doesn't Dr. Kegel have a thriving practice in Long Beach? :wink:
loseyourname
Jun20-04, 02:50 AM
Does he? I have no idea. Do you live in the area?
Evo
Jun20-04, 03:10 PM
As long as the woman knows how to use her Kegel muscles, she needn't be all that tight.But that's more for the pleasure of the male. Doing Kegel excersizes doesn't add to the sensation for the woman, at least not that I have noticed.
Loren Booda
Jun20-04, 03:17 PM
loseyourname,
I'm from Arlington (VA), renowned for poor jokes.
loseyourname
Jun20-04, 03:27 PM
But that's more for the pleasure of the male. Doing Kegel excersizes doesn't add to the sensation for the woman, at least not that I have noticed.
It seems to have helped my girlfriend, but that wasn't the point anyway. Someone mentioned that a tighter girl is to be preferred by the male. I was just saying that is unnecessary as she can make herself tight during the act by simply clenching and releasing the Kegel muscles. Presumably this would at least be a better sensation for her than being penetrated by a penis that is too big, which would be the case (I imagine anyway) for any virgin or ultratight girl.
chroot
Jun20-04, 08:17 PM
Evo,
Generally, contraction of the PC muscle (the muscle exercised in Kegels) is physiologically important during orgasm. In fact, the better people (male and female) are able to isolate and control the muscle, the more control they tend to have over orgasm. Purposefully contracting and releasing the PC muscle during sex can help some women reach orgasm. Most of the women I know who do Kegels have reported having better sex as a result -- perhaps it's just a placebo, of course, but the theory makes sense.
- Warren
Evo
Jun20-04, 09:12 PM
Evo,
Generally, contraction of the PC muscle (the muscle exercised in Kegels) is physiologically important during orgasm. In fact, the better people (male and female) are able to isolate and control the muscle, the more control they tend to have over orgasm. Purposefully contracting and releasing the PC muscle during sex can help some women reach orgasm. Most of the women I know who do Kegels have reported having better sex as a result -- perhaps it's just a placebo, of course, but the theory makes sense.
- WarrenWell, let's see, I'm a woman and I have done kegel excersizes for more years than I care to mention. My gynecologist suggested that I do them many years ago because I execersize alot (a lot of curl ups for a flat tummy) and he said that those kind of excersizes tended to weaken those muscles, I don't know if he was right, but I've done them ever since. I could probably crack a walnut. :approve:
Perhaps it's because I have no problem in reaching an orgasm, as a matter of fact mine can be so intense that my toes curl backwards (muscle spasm) that contracting those muscles add nothing to my sexual enjoyment, it's already enjoyable enough, but I find my male partners like it. Or should I say back in the olden days of yore when I had a partner.
If women have trouble reaching orgasm, it may be helpful, but I think it may be that they are either concentrating more on the experience, therefore enhancing it, or a placebo effect.
Njorl
Jun21-04, 10:16 AM
I have always heard that big enough is good enough.
Much like a rope for a rappeller, if it's not long enough to get the job done, it doesn't matter how skilled you are. It's always nice to have a bit of extra rope. Too much rope starts to get in the way. Different cliffs need different lengths of rope.
Njorl
chroot
Jun21-04, 11:50 PM
Njorl,
Are you suggesting that men should carry an assortment of penises?
- Warren
Njorl
Jun22-04, 04:57 PM
Njorl,
Are you suggesting that men should carry an assortment of penises?
- Warren
Not a bad idea!
Njorl
Thallium
Jun22-04, 06:17 PM
Hellish idea!
JC
Jul31-04, 03:15 AM
My original reply was to the original question, but since this conversation turned to "does size matter?", I must reply.
First, I am a 26 year old male with a 6.5" penis (my nature is to be acurate and precise), not too small, but definitely a humble size. I used to be so worried that I wasn't big enough. I do believe that size does matter on a pure sexual basis or if the penis is smaller than average, say smaller than 6"; however, the human condition (the evolution of human emotion) plays a more than significant role.
I only had one sexual relationship before moving to NYC. I tried to continue to my sexual conservatism; however, one night "things happened." I felt that I took a bad hit in morality; however, my "sexual reputation" took a severe upward swing. I am convinced that my "manhood" did not spread this reputation. Within a short time of my "morality screw up," I had most of her friends and aquaintences becoming more friendly to me. Of course, being male, I deviated from my moral values and had several sexual encounters with these women. After this, my "legend" grew. I do not know what women talk about, but whenever I went out with my group of friends and co-workers, there were plenty of women that wanted to do more than just make conversation.
So, what I am trying to say is that size does matter, at least, to the average size. This is my phsically evolutionary thougt. After that, it is more of what the other person has to offer, i.e. I am more of a "giver," so that must be compliant with a lot of women, sexually.
Brennen
Jul31-04, 03:45 AM
im a 16 year old guy, slightly over 8", and my last girlfriend told all of her friends and they had in depth conversations about me and my....manhood. comparing to her friends boyfriends etc. from my past experiences it is apparent that size does matter to some women, but i still believe its not the size of the engine, it's who's behind the wheel. i think as long as it is a certain size, it doesn't matter a great deal after that. i enjoyed Njorl's rock climbing metaphor, lol. that was a great explanation, and pretty much hit the proverbial nail on the head, from my point of view. too big isn't good, too small isn't good. i think alot of women have something along the lines of a "size range" whereby anything within is ideal to them. just a thought.
Loren Booda
Aug1-04, 01:46 AM
Remember, people, women come in different sizes too. Overall, given the choice, they will take a guy with a big heart and skill over one with a third-party big cock.
Ivan Seeking
Aug1-04, 03:42 AM
I could probably crack a walnut. :approve:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Okay now stop...I'm dying here.
May I quote you on that? I was thinking of my signature.
loseyourname
Aug1-04, 05:41 AM
You know, I hope I'm not being too explicit here, but I've found the most effective way to make my partner orgasm during intercourse is to use a technique where I only insert my penis about 3 inches and then rhythmically slide nearly out and back to the 3 inch point while lying flat on top of her and clutching her body to mine as tightly as I can. If I keep this up at a medium pace (and it must be a steady pace) for about 5-8 minutes, she'll have a better climax than she will through any other technique. It's even better if we engage in a long period of foreplay before we move to intercourse.
I really think technique is far more important than size. Heck, we did a lot of experimenting before discovering that this worked best. Know your partner. Explore. Don't just rely on physical prowess.
nautica
Aug1-04, 07:47 AM
You know, I hope I'm not being too explicit here, but I've found the most effective way to make my partner orgasm during intercourse is to use a technique where I only insert my penis about 3 inches and then rhythmically slide nearly out and back to the 3 inch point while lying flat on top of her and clutching her body to mine as tightly as I can.
I'm confused here. So are you saying that you insert it all the way??? :biggrin:
Nautica
sorry, you walked into that one.
nautica
Aug1-04, 07:52 AM
I didn't bother to read all of the post, so this may have been covered.
I saw an article that stated penis size could be attributed to competition. The penis acts like a plunger, and the longer penis is able to penetrate farther into the vagina and "sux" out any sperm that was previously placed. Then with its extra length, it can implant its sperm at a more advantageous location.
This was supported with evidence that animal populations with more competition had longer penises.
Nautica
loseyourname
Aug1-04, 04:32 PM
I'm confused here. So are you saying that you insert it all the way??? :biggrin:
Nautica
sorry, you walked into that one.
No, my whole point was that I only insert it about 3 inches or so. The implication being that a man with a 3-inch penis that knew what he was doing could please a woman (at least this woman) better than a man with an 8-inch penis that didn't know what he was doing.
Monique
Aug1-04, 06:53 PM
I'm confused here. So are you saying that you insert it all the way??? :biggrin:
Nautica
sorry, you walked into that one.
I wonder why you would be confused about that nautica :rolleyes:
I guess you walked into that one :rofl:
nautica
Aug1-04, 08:11 PM
:blush:
Nautica
cronxeh
Aug1-04, 09:34 PM
oh.. a penis thread..
original! :devil:
Kerrie
Aug1-04, 11:21 PM
Remember, people, women come in different sizes too. Overall, given the choice, they will take a guy with a big heart and skill over one with a third-party big cock.
one of the few true words of women coming from a male :biggrin:
yes, size does matter, and it is not always a good thing...i had the worst sex with a man of 8"...
loseyourname
Aug1-04, 11:47 PM
Loren's a guy? I didn't expect that.
Loren Booda
Aug2-04, 12:02 AM
My maleness has been a premiere expectation of mine for the preponderance of my life.
Ivan Seeking
Aug2-04, 01:10 AM
...i had the worst sex with a man of 8"...
Get serious with Kerrie and she shows up with a ruler! :surprise:
flippy
Aug2-04, 01:26 AM
Whether size matters or not, human males have a bigger dick size proportional to their bodies than any other primate. So just be happy you are not your uncles dog. I guess that kinda implies that size matters, but on a more serious note- I say size doesn't matter unless the guy is "too small."
Loren Booda
Aug2-04, 12:01 PM
And Bonobo chimps have the largest testicles per body size than any other primate. They've adapted to screw any member of their society, multiply if the feeling's good. Be happy that we're not Bonobos. Their motto: make love, not war. :tongue2:
Kerrie
Aug2-04, 09:09 PM
Get serious with Kerrie and she shows up with a ruler! :surprise:
LOL! um, no comment :redface:
Monique
Aug3-04, 09:34 AM
I think this has been discussed enough now.. :rolleyes: