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<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>From the derivations I\'ve seen for the special theory of relativity,\nthere doesn\'t seem to be much of a problem for "taking it to the\nlimit" for length contraction, time dilation, and increasing mass.\nIn that case, the world (from the point of view of anything traveling\nthe speed of light) is a timeless, 2-dimensional plane of infinite\nmass\n(energy).\n\n\n\n_________________ _________________\nDo you Yahoo!?\nSend holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good.\nhttp://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>From the derivations I've seen for the special theory of relativity,
there doesn't seem to be much of a problem for "taking it to the
limit" for length contraction, time dilation, and increasing mass.
In that case, the world (from the point of view of anything traveling
the speed of light) is a timeless, 2-dimensional plane of infinite
mass
(energy).
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<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>"Scott" <zawy@yahoo.com> wrote in message\nnews:20041219153442.13137.qmail@web52708. mail.yahoo.com...\n> From the derivations I\'ve seen for the special theory of relativity,\n> there doesn\'t seem to be much of a problem for "taking it to the\n> limit" for length contraction, time dilation, and increasing mass.\n> In that case, the world (from the point of view of anything traveling\n> the speed of light) is a timeless, 2-dimensional plane of infinite\n> mass\n> (energy).\n\nYes the derivation is easy but are you happy with the conclusion?\nThe photon lives in a timeless 2D universe....\n\nHow does this fit with the "a photon isn\'t localisable" and other related\ncomments?\n\nThis also raises the question of what the em field looks like in this\ntimeless 2D world\nand the nature of photon interactions "seen" from the photon\'s point of\nview.\nmikej\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>"Scott" <zawy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:20041219153442.13137.qmail@web52708.mail.yaho o.com...
> From the derivations I've seen for the special theory of relativity,
> there doesn't seem to be much of a problem for "taking it to the
> limit" for length contraction, time dilation, and increasing mass.
> In that case, the world (from the point of view of anything traveling
> the speed of light) is a timeless, 2-dimensional plane of infinite
> mass
> (energy).
Yes the derivation is easy but are you happy with the conclusion?
The photon lives in a timeless 2D universe....
How does this fit with the "a photon isn't localisable" and other related
comments?
This also raises the question of what the em field looks like in this
timeless 2D world
and the nature of photon interactions "seen" from the photon's point of
view.
mikej
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>After thinking about it some more, I decided to be less dedicated to\nthe timeless, 2D plane, infinite mass universe since there is a\ndividing by zero and the other viewpoint that was posted in the other\nthread might be just as valid but more directly so. (that the photon\nwould see the universe as an infinite mass directly ahead at an\ninfinitetly small point since light would not be able to catch up with\nit without shifting red to zero energy nor impinge from the sides but\nwould infinitely blue-shift at the front.) so in another post i\ndecided that quantum theory was the best way to think about what a\nphoton "sees"....assuming the whole question of a "seeing photon" isn\'t\ntoo anthropomorphic to be non-answerable.\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>After thinking about it some more, I decided to be less dedicated to
the timeless, 2D plane, infinite mass universe since there is a
dividing by zero and the other viewpoint that was posted in the other
thread might be just as valid but more directly so. (that the photon
would see the universe as an infinite mass directly ahead at an
infinitetly small point since light would not be able to catch up with
it without shifting red to zero energy nor impinge from the sides but
would infinitely blue-shift at the front.) so in another post i
decided that quantum theory was the best way to think about what a
photon "sees"....assuming the whole question of a "seeing photon" isn't
too anthropomorphic to be non-answerable.
<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no, location=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no ,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>After thinking about it some more, I decided to be less dedicated to\nthe timeless, 2D plane, infinite mass universe since there is a\ndividing by zero and the other viewpoint that was posted in the other\nthread might be just as valid but more directly so. (that the photon\nwould see the universe as an infinite mass directly ahead at an\ninfinitetly small point since light would not be able to catch up with\nit without shifting red to zero energy nor impinge from the sides but\nwould infinitely blue-shift at the front.) so in another post i\ndecided that quantum theory was the best way to think about what a\nphoton "sees"....assuming the whole question of a "seeing photon" isn\'t\ntoo anthropomorphic to be non-answerable.\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form"> View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>After thinking about it some more, I decided to be less dedicated to
the timeless, 2D plane, infinite mass universe since there is a
dividing by zero and the other viewpoint that was posted in the other
thread might be just as valid but more directly so. (that the photon
would see the universe as an infinite mass directly ahead at an
infinitetly small point since light would not be able to catch up with
it without shifting red to zero energy nor impinge from the sides but
would infinitely blue-shift at the front.) so in another post i
decided that quantum theory was the best way to think about what a
photon "sees"....assuming the whole question of a "seeing photon" isn't
too anthropomorphic to be non-answerable.
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