What is your relgion?

[The Grimmus]

I was just brushing up on the old God & relgion area and was wondering what everyone's religion or beleife is i am not looking for an exsplantion because that starts a fight...

edited with spell checkign powers... and to get more people to submit to the poll

[The Grimmus]

wow all 2 of us dont belive in god?

[mouseman]

nope.

[kyleb]

i voted other but because i belive a lot of things, including some of all of the above. aside from atheism that is. [;)]

and Sensei, as you might have noticed i do consier that a good idea; but i think it is something that should be done on a personal level. trying to make the world have one consept of god has lead to some of the most evil things humans have ever done.

[mouseman]

I think it's possible, but I'm willing to bet the last ones to jump on the bandwagon will be the Muslims. They are some hardcore mamma jammas.

[The Grimmus]

actualy i would think it would be a polytheistic relgion because the new "trend" is monotheism

[RageSk8]

I am a Mopist (I practice Mopism). We Broomists consider cleaning a sacred covenent with the all powerfull Mr. Clean.



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[sir-pinski]

I'd probably be best described as an Agnostic, i.e. can't make up my mind [:D]

[FZ+]

Yeah... why isn't agnostic an option?
I am kinda an agnostic leaning vaguely in the direction of atheism.

[Lifegazer]

Reasonism? [;)]

[FZ+]

And as its antipode, Lifegazerism? [;)]

[Iacchus32]

I don't define myself as anything, otherwise it becomes "contrived" and detracts from your perception. I still consider the Bible a good reference book though (amongst a few others).

[zk4586]

Originally posted by Iacchus32
I don't define myself as anything, otherwise it becomes "contrived" and detracts from your perception. I still consider the Bible a good reference book though (amongst a few others).

A good reference book for what? Strict rules to guide your life that are then broken page after page by God and man.

[Iacchus32]

Originally posted by zk4586
Originally posted by Iacchus32
I don't define myself as anything, otherwise it becomes "contrived" and detracts from your perception. I still consider the Bible a good reference book though (amongst a few others).A good reference book for what? Strict rules to guide your life that are then broken page after page by God and man.
If there is a God in heaven, and this is the book that's been handed down, then yes, there "must" be something to it. As far as the "big if" is concerned? this you'll have to work out for yourself.

Whereas if nothing else, the Bible is a blueprint for the "frailty of the human condition." Which, is kind of what you're saying isn't it? And when you read some of the stories, come to find out these people are no different than you or I, and you begin to wonder about it and say, Wow, God operates through common ordinary people, and it becomes that much easier to relate to.

I don't know what else to say? Except that I rely on my observations, rather than the labels attached, otherwise you can't see what's really there.

[N_Quire]

I'm an atheist, which I don't see as a religion.

[The Grimmus]

it's a belife or disbelife rather

[megashawn]

Actually, its the lack of belief. Its the "I can't prove god does exist, and I can't prove that he does not exist. Neither can anyone else"

But from that stance, that makes everyone an atheist. The only difference, is ppl such as myself, admit this. People with religous beliefs think they can prove his existance by merely uttering a few words from religous text.

[Mulder]

Atheist.

So-called Agnostics stop pretending you're on the fence and admit there is no God too [:)]

[FZ+]

No, I regard my particular brand of agnosticism as distinct from atheism - I accept that god can exist, but contend that no evidence for his existence is present and he probably doesn't exist. For the time being, it is better to live life as though God/gods do not exist than otherwise.

[Paradox]

I find myself inclinded the same way as FZ+.

[Iacchus32]

Originally posted by FZ+
No, I regard my particular brand of agnosticism as distinct from atheism - I accept that god can exist, but contend that no evidence for his existence is present and he probably doesn't exist. For the time being, it is better to live life as though God/gods do not exist than otherwise.
You will never find the evidence unless you are willing to look within.

[Mulder]

If you don't believe, you're an Atheist, simple as that. 'Agnosticism' is a nonsensical term for people who are afraid of being embarassed if God did turn up. Which he wont [6)]

[The Grimmus]

well the monotheistic relgion i belive their god is forgiving but as for the other relgions i belive i am in trouble...well unless the buddah is right.

I have a questions though, for all of those who do follow a relgion do you follow it strcitly flat earth society wise or do you belive that some of the transcrpts in your holy book could be just for moral value and have no fact in it...becuase i am realizing a trend, those poeple who are on PF are very skeptical if i where to ask anyone form my school they would be christain or jewish or muslim or hinduh or soem other relgion but here..well atleast out of those who posted 50% are athiests or agnosticism my mistake for not putting that as a choice but I am wondering if the rest are skeptical about the very fine detials of their relgion

[kyleb]

Originally posted by Mulder
If you don't believe, you're an Atheist, simple as that. 'Agnosticism' is a nonsensical term for people who are afraid of being embarassed if God did turn up. Which he wont [6)]

it seems the only thing nonsesical is your understanding of the term. [s(]

[kyleb]

oh and i should point out that a gnostic is someone who proclaims that they are privy to divine knowledge and those are the ones who have given theology a bad name; agnostic faith is the redeeming part of religion.

[Mulder]

I know perfectly well what Agnosticism is. I was merely expanding the definition out of the dictionary and into the real world.

[mouseman]

I thought Agnosticism was that you believed in God, just that God didn't give a crap about humanity... 'course I'm not to learned in the beliefs of the world.

[kyleb]

Originally posted by Mulder
I know perfectly well what Agnosticism is. I was merely expanding the definition out of the dictionary and into the real world.

funny, i take it your dictionary and your "real world" are full of bible beaters?

[Kabu]

My Religion is Islam,
Iam Muslim :)
Mercy,bless and peace be upon u from God (The God).

[kyle_soule]

In the last version of pf there was a thread on agnosticism...The genereal concensus was it was the disbelief in God because there was no proof, or if they were given proof they would not believe. Whereas, an atheist would believe in God if they were provided with sufficient proof.

I think more often than not atheists are agnostics and agnostics are religious just going through a period of disbelief...just my opinion.

I voted atheist.

[FZ+]

if they were given proof they would not believe. Whereas, an atheist would believe in God if they were provided with sufficient proof
I think you mixed it up...

But I disagree anyway. [:)]
Atheists would still change their minds if they had objective proof. They however put a (very) high probability in the non-existence of proof, while agnostics believe in the suspension of the conclusion (but not neccessarily the discussion) until proof is given. Kinda.

[greeneagle3000]

none.
[g)]

[The Grimmus]

greeneagale what are you responding to when you say none

[greeneagle3000]

about my religion.

i don't pray to anything.

[screwball]

i believe in a creator god.

but i dont believe any one religion has got it rite. well its possible one of them did but i dont feel the need to choose one.

watch Dogma.

[Another God]

Agnosticism implies sitting on the fence. If you are sitting on the fence, it means you can't make up your mind either way. In a normal situation, sitting on the fence occurs because there is equally convincing arguments from both sides, and you don't feel you can fairly choose one option over the other.

If you feel that there is equally as much evidence for god, as there is against god existing, then you may be an agnostic.

As for Atheism, I believe there are two kinds. I call them simply strong and weak. Weak atheism is

'I see no evidence, so I have no reason to believe'

while strong atheism is

'I have looked, and there is no evidence when there should be. There is, therefore, no god.'

I used to be a weak atheist, but have since revised my own position on the matter, and decided that I was more accurately a strong atheist. If God exists, then we honestly, should see something, anything, which gives us some sort of indication of its existence. Instead we get nothing. I believe, that there is no God. This is a belief of mine, just as my belief that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that eating carrots is good for me. None of those beliefs are religions, they are just beliefs which I have justifications for believing.

[Another God]

So, i feel I should now point out that while I did select Atheism in the poll, a more accurate description of my 'religion' would be something like what Lifegazer said.
Reasonism
If you want a word for it. My religion is philosophy. But then, philosophy isn't a religion, it is the yang of religion. Religion implies dogmatic truths. My religion, is that truth is out of my reach, so I must adapt to whatever truth I percieve at any time. My religion, is that religion has got it all wrong. Philosophy is the only way to guide our lives.

I use reason, and decide how I should act in any given situation appropriately. Not dogmatically.

[Royce]

The poll would not let me select Chirstianity and Buddhism. I'm a eclectic Christian Zen Buddhist. That either means that I have an open mind and find some good and truth in a number of belief systems or that I can't make up my mind what I am. I don't know; I can't decide which.

[LogicalAtheist]

I am pleased to see 50% are atheist.

And to sum up a comment, atheism is not a religion nor is it a belief or disblief.

Atheism is the conclusion reached by studying empirical, logical, mathematical, and scientific data on both sides of the ever famous question.

And to repeat a comment, you agnostics. Stop being to lazy to look at evidence and STUDY IT and reach the scientific conclusion.

PLEASE, we need you to unite!

[Kerrie]

Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
And to repeat a comment, you agnostics. Stop being to lazy to look at evidence and STUDY IT and reach the scientific conclusion.

PLEASE, we need you to unite! [/B]

stop assuming they are being lazy...perhaps they are undecided even after looking at the evidence and looking at what is within them...remember, to insult someone who chooses to believe in somethind different then you (regardless of proof), only shows your streak of intolerance and ignorance...

[LogicalAtheist]

Originally posted by Kerrie
stop assuming they are being lazy...perhaps they are undecided even after looking at the evidence and looking at what is within them...remember, to insult someone who chooses to believe in somethind different then you (regardless of proof), only shows your streak of intolerance and ignorance...

Kerrie - I did mean it seriously. Perhaps I should have addes a [:)] or [:D]

They're not lazy. And agnostics I don't mind because they're very much leaning towards good in comparison to where humanity currently stands!

[heusdens]

There is a missing poll option.

One can only makes choices between belief systems, either to the positive or to the negative. Atheism is treated as a belief system (the belief that there is no God), but this does not indicate my point of view.

I do not agree with that, cause I do not believe that a God exists, neither do I believe that God does not exist.

Why do I have to belief either to the positive or the contrary of something. I simly do not believe, but instead try to know and understand, and the issue of wether or not God exists is besides the issue.

Instead of believing or disbelieving God exists, I know a material world exists, since I can perceive one, and that through science we can know about the world as it is, beyond my perception of it.

[heusdens]

Originally posted by Another God
So, i feel I should now point out that while I did select Atheism in the poll, a more accurate description of my 'religion' would be something like what Lifegazer said.
Reasonism
If you want a word for it. My religion is philosophy. But then, philosophy isn't a religion, it is the yang of religion. Religion implies dogmatic truths. My religion, is that truth is out of my reach, so I must adapt to whatever truth I percieve at any time. My religion, is that religion has got it all wrong. Philosophy is the only way to guide our lives.

I use reason, and decide how I should act in any given situation appropriately. Not dogmatically.

Realism is a philosophy which has the point of view of Idealism, and opposes Materialism. It states in regard of the issue wether or not a material world exist, outside and independend of our minds, is at best left open (agnostic).

If you think that religion has got it 'all wrong', and we can know about the material world, then Materialism offers a better point of view. Realism does not escape from Idealist concepts entirely.

[Alexander]

I believe in facts and logic, but this religion is not listed above.

What should I press?

"Other..." button?

[LogicalAtheist]

Alex. Nice point. Thus, I am interested in why you do not claim atheism?

Perhaps, if your answer is neat enough, let's make a topic post for us to talk about this.

You saying you believe in facts and logic, is strikingly similiar to me. Now, on this forum thats not SO rare. But you damn well know how rare it is in the real world.

Lemme know how this differs from atheism.

[Alexander]

Well, I usually indeed call it atheism, but sometimes people say: "yeah, yeah - you believe in NO gods, we believe in YES gods - what is the difference?,- yours just another religion".

So, to avoid stupid remarks about atheism being another religion (which it is not) I then have to clarify EXACTLY what I believe in - for those who mixes atheism with religions. Look at the vote questions above - atheism IS among major religions here.

[ray b]

on the god thing I am a Atheist

but my religion is HIPPY we belive in sex and drugs and rock&roll but not any gods

[Alexander]

Originally posted by LogicalAtheist



You saying you believe in facts and logic, is strikingly similiar to me. Now, on this forum thats not SO rare. But you damn well know how rare it is in the real world.



I was raised in society where I never heard "everything comes from God", so it is shocking for me.

It is same as to say that "everything comes from Santa".

[BoulderHead]

Originally posted by Alexander
It is same as to say that "everything comes from Santa". Maybe so, but I still prefer Santa! [:D]

[schwarzchildradius]

There are obviously several monotheistic gods that require exclusion of belief in other gods by default. These gods have different powers and different levels of power, each manifested by human action. No god is all powerful, although they may purport to have supernatural powers over the afterlife, their true power is here and now, over life and death.

[Alexander]

Originally posted by BoulderHead
Maybe so, but I still prefer Santa! [:D]

I would agree with this too. Santa is much more real than any God.

Indeed, almost everybody have seen Him (Santa) from time to time (mostly in big malls), and some even managed to take digital pictures (and even videos) of Him as a solid proof of His existence.

Not so with God(s) - nobody saw Him and no one was able to take any picture of Him (not to say about video).

So Gods chances on existence are way less than Santa's.

[quantumcarl]

Jedi.

[Adam]

Religion = organised superstition.

I believe in probabilities and possibilities, in nature, in people and human behaviours, and in logic.

[RSM1000]

Originally posted by Adam
Religion = organised superstition.

I believe in probabilities and possibilities, in nature, in people and human behaviours, and in logic.


We share similiarities!

[Alexander]

Organised superstition BUSINESS, I would say.

[schwarzchildradius]

And useful for WAR!

[Alexander]

Yes, and this is quite sad. It is easy to control and alienate beliving masses against each other by pointing at other side as being "infidels" and source of all "evil".

I wonder if Earth would be a safer place with all people just being atheists?

[DR OF DEATH]

i follow meism.

i make my own choices, live my own life, and i am what i am.

why the need for god or religion.

[Psyber freek]

Originally posted by Alexander

I wonder if Earth would be a safer place with all people just being atheists?

Probably a little, without all the psychos who use god as an excuse to start wars and such. But it would certainly be a lot more confusing without the rules that religion provides. A democracy would be nearly impossible if everyone was atheist.

[DR OF DEATH]

not really, you dont need a god to have a set of moral rules. i have morals which i abide by but i dont have a god, if we did away with the belief in god and replaced it with a set of agreed moral rules, things could be better.[t)] [t)] [t)] [t)] [t)]

[akhenaten]

I think that Buddha was onto something, although I am not religious.

I practice Zen meditation on a regular basis.

[DR OF DEATH]

yes buddhism is the one religion that is close to what i follow. you need to concentrate on life in the here and now, not whether god or heaven/hell etc exist, they are not relevent. you and what you do in life is all that is important.

[schwarzchildradius]

Do you think that morality and ethics comes from a consensus of the population, or from a deeper, primal sense of balance (like conservation of energy)?

[akhenaten]

No morality comes from objective absolute standards created by God along with the absolute standards He created of beauty and foulness.

Only joking! ;D I think it it comes from an interplay of the two factors you mentioned - from an aesthetic matter for the individual, which is socialised as a public consensus of universalisable principles eg. human rights, free speech, fairness. Although, I suspect that even the social aspect of it is a product of individual nature.

[Another God]

I don't think we can blame religion for psychos. Psychos exist and will use any excuse available to them to get what they want.

Religion doesn't create psychos, psychos create religion.

[DR OF DEATH]

i agree that morals / ethics are from both a set of socially agreed rules, and from a deep primordial need for things to be right and balance out. god does not come into it, god and religion were created by men thousands of years ago to try and explain things they had no understanding of, now we can understand and explain almost all of those things and many other things, and so the god/religion excuse is no longer relevent or needed.

[radagast]

I can't say I agree. I see ethics and morals as an extension of other evolutionarily derived survival factors. The group has a greater chance of survival when working within a framework of rules, compared to not.

An interesting demonstration of this exists in Japanese early childhood education system. The Japanese don't tell their children to play nice, don't hit, share, all the things we work so hard to drill into our kids in the west. And an interesting thing happens, first their arises bullies on the playground and in classrooms. They have their way for a while then an interesting social dynamic arises spontaneously out of these children. They start to shun and ignore the bullies. In a surprisingly short amount of time the behavior of the bullies changes to something more conducive to the group, and they are allowed back into society (as they know it). As social creatures, one of the cruelest punishments is to be placed outside all social interaction.

Morality is a very selfish thing, but not stupidly so.

The view of self interests differs with the individual, so different people will have different degrees of ethical behaviour, and different people will have different views on what is best for them (as a set of ethical values).

In larger cities, some feel they can, due to the vast numbers, commit acts and not be held accountable - hence the rise of crime when groups get larger.


With regards to a previously used term - Agnostic. The traditional definition is 'one who believes there is no possibility of proving the existence or lack of existence of god'. It is a philosophical position, not a statement about the ones faith or lack thereof, in god(s). Common usage has changed it to mean someone that doesn't know or, erroneously in my opinion, one who lacks belief, but doesn't believe there is no god(s) (i.e. classic weak atheist position).

[radagast]

Originally posted by Windy
I believe in the Purple Potato God, who will bring ultimate redemption to those who are worthy by landing them in The Land of Unending Varieties Of Potato Gratin.

Yes, but the question is, do the high priests of the Purple Potato God send you a little blessed prayer cloth when a sufficiently large donation is made?

Enquiring minds want to know!

[pace]

I was recently a christian. But one day I just found out I really don't believe in a personal God anymore.

Nowadays I find Spinoza's veiwpoint interesting, but I still feel a little unsure because he's hard to read. And to get a throughout understanding of him you just gotto (mostly) understand his own works. And his works is NOT easy. I put myself in the 'other' category.

[pace]

Originally posted by radagast
As social creatures, one of the cruelest punishments is to be placed outside all social interaction.



That I believe too. And a very effective one. I would rather be corrected in a rather hard way which I maybe could learn something from, than be gone. Also from what I hear from psychologists, is that in childcare, as a general rule quantity is better than quality(assuming you aint a horrible human!).

[The Grimmus]

why are you glad some reilgion is good, it teaches morals and gives peopel a reaoson to work and not you now commit sucide becuase their life is meaningless

[radagast]

Originally posted by The Grimmus
why are you glad some reilgion is good, it teaches morals and gives peopel a reaoson to work and not you now commit sucide becuase their life is meaningless

I assume you meant to have a comma between 'glad' and 'some'. It would help if you quote who you're replying to, so we have some context.

Religion is just one possible meaning a person can give to their lives. During the latter Soviet Union, when the vast majority of Russians no longer believed in a god or had a religion, you didn't see rampant immorality and suicide. Non-theistic societies have moral values, just like theistic ones.

The more important question is do you think it's valid to adopt a religion or religious practice, even though you do not believe it, but because it will give you morals, a purpose in life, etcetera?

[The Grimmus]

In response to the second paragraphic area, i do not beilve that many could make such a transition. Religion seems (to me atleast) to be an early means of goverment in a society that needed an enforcer.

But now we do have goverment, we have police and other groups to enforce laws. It is just a matter of transition, and it's been coming for a while.


In response to your 3rd paragraph, i don't feel it's right for me because i feel i already have morales taught by society and laws, and after you have morals accepte dby society it's only if you need to have a purpose in life do you really need to have religion

[radagast]

The original assertion concerned how things occur today/now/in the present. The response to my post seems to retreat to how things evolved historically. Could you clarify what and which you mean.

[Njorl]

I used to be ethnically Catholic. I didn't believe in the faith, but I became angry if it was denigrated by others.

I recently converted though. I read a long rant about Heathens on some conservative blog, and decided it fit me pretty well. Despite aknowledging that I am a Heathen, I can't seem to find any local Heathen churches. I'm sure there is some sort of religious persecution involved against my fellow heathens.

Njorl

[TheStatutoryApe]

Model Agnostic on all counts from religion to politics. I don't believe that I as an individual I can claim to know anything as a certainty when it comes to such things as the soul, what is right and wrong, and what is the nature of God.

[graphic7]

In the definitions stated here, I must consider myself a "weak atheist". Ever since I've watched "Star-Trek" as cliche as it may sound, I've had the thought lodged in my head: "Why if we did unite?". And I think that for all concerned the whole philosophy of Star Trek is rather accurate. After another World War, maybe the world will begin to see that religion is an ancient concept.

Regardless, I do consider myself an atheist, and I do become very irritated at mainly Christians and Muslims. Me, being southern, and raised as a southern baptist, my beliefs are often criticized to say the least. I always give a chuckle and continue my work. Glad to see some fellow atheists here, though.

[dschouten]

Model Agnostic on all counts from religion to politics. I don't believe that I as an individual I can claim to know anything as a certainty when it comes to such things as the soul, what is right and wrong, and what is the nature of God.

But you can claim certainty regarding your inability to certainly know...certainly strange.

[dave19903652]

I'm a singletonist (my surname) meaning that I believe in certain aspects from all religions.

By the way, has anyone noticed that all religions are strangely similar at the core for example ancient greece and christianity+ judaism + islam (?) all had a mistake in the beginning - pandora's box and adam + eve. christianity + hinduism both believe that God once walked the Earth and both involve a tree. The list goes on...

Athiesm is not a religion by the way - the belief in nothing cannot be a religion! As religion means a belief in something. Something cannot be nothing in most cases

[hitssquad]

Athiesm is not a religion by the way - the belief in nothing cannot be a religion! As religion means a belief in something. Something cannot be nothing in most casesAtheists believe in non-existence of God. Compare agnosticism.


Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: 'AthE,izðm
Function: noun
Inflected Form: -s
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist (from Greek atheos godless, not believing in the existence of gods, from a- ²a- + theos god) + -isme -ism — more at THE-

1 a : disbelief in the existence of God or any other deity b : the doctrine that there is neither God nor any other deity — compare AGNOSTICISM

[dave19903652]

"not believing in the existence of gods" "disbelief in the existence of God or any other deity "

i.e. they don't believe in God therefore it is not a religion as there is no organised athiest 'gathering' that I know of it is not a religion. As most athiests I know say simply 'I don't believe in God' not I believe that God does not exist.

[PookieBuns]

So i guess that rules out true fascism and soviet communism. no?

[naz]

A good reference book for what? Strict rules to guide your life that are then broken page after page by God and man.

Wot do you mean a good reference book, have you seen the of contradictions in the bible. If this was the same book revealed to jesus, and it is gods word, why the imperfections. I thought god was supposed to be perfect.

[Entropy]

i.e. they don't believe in God therefore it is not a religion as there is no organised athiest 'gathering' that I know of it is not a religion.

Not all religions believe in a God. Why do you care if you're considered a religion or not?

Also agnostic should definitely be up there!

Wot do you mean a good reference book, have you seen the of contradictions in the bible. If this was the same book revealed to jesus, and it is gods word, why the imperfections. I thought god was supposed to be perfect.

Show me some of the contradictions then, and the book wasn't ever "revealed" to Jesus. The old testiment was written before Jesus and the new testiment was written by the Apostles after Jesus's death.


By the way, I'm a Jehovah's Witness (they're Christians).

[Imparcticle]

By the way, I'm a Jehovah's Witness (they're Christians).


I really like Jehovah's Witnesses. I love the way you back up your beliefs. Great job! :biggrin:


Wot do you mean a good reference book, have you seen the of contradictions in the bible. If this was the same book revealed to jesus, and it is gods word, why the imperfections. I thought god was supposed to be perfect.

Could it be that you misunderstand? I know of a man who has a PhD in Theology. He's been studying the bible for decades. He has a firm belief in it. How long have you studied the bible?

[United States]

I am agnostic.

[Marijn]

Although i'm certainly not a socialist, i think Marx has put it right.

Religion is opium for the people.

And as far as monotheistic religions, no half decent man in his right mind would want to be associated by a religion that has been the reason for so much senseless killing, no matter which one of the religions you take (judaisnm, islam or christianity).

One guy once invented monotheism to control the masses and make them commit mass murder and other crimes (i also take nazi-ism in this story since it also was a monotheistic religion, with the difference that the god was still alive)
Hitler was to a certain extend a god, and i see all gods as an evil illusion.

[Entropy]

I really like Jehovah's Witnesses. I love the way you back up your beliefs. Great job!

Thank you Imparcticle, that means a lot. :smile:

And as far as monotheistic religions, no half decent man in his right mind would want to be associated by a religion that has been the reason for so much senseless killing, no matter which one of the religions you take (judaisnm, islam or christianity).


You would be suprised to know how most wars involving religion, any religion for that matter, have little to do with the particular religion's doctrine, or what you would call religion at all. Usually religion is used to hind the real reasons behind conflicts like greed, power-hunger and even personal disputes. This isn't limited to monotheistic religions. Take for example the divine right of Pharaohs in Eygpt, mandate of heaven in Chinese mythology, and the enforcement of the case system by the Aryans in India through Hinduism.

This is inevitable when you start mixing religion and politics. But I'd like to point out to you that mixing religion and politics is forbidden in real Christianity. Even getting involved in politics in a non-religious fashion is a sin. A very important principal that Jesus and his Apostles taught was to remove you're self from this 'world' and do not be a part of it. By 'world' they are refering to the current order of things, governments, nations and systems of man. They are considered wicked, imperfect machinations of man that will only lead to pain, suffering and inevitable destruction.

Also I'd like to say that participating in war is also a sin in real Christianity. The Bible specifically says that God would no longer take sides in wars (before hand God had helped the Isaerlites defeat their enemies). After Jesus's death Israel fell from God's favor and therefore their was no "nation" of God so to speak, and their won't be until after Armaggedon.

This applies to [true] Christianity. Islam, Judaism and false versions of Christianity, that are not based on the teachings of Jesus and his followers, allow war and killing under certain circumstances.

[Imparcticle]

The Bible specifically says that God would no longer take sides in wars (before hand God had helped the Isaerlites defeat their enemies).


I love your post Entropy. :rofl: It has helped me come to understand more about God...except for what it is I have quoted. If God does not take sides isn't that absolute for him? Did he have a symbolic reason for helping the Isaerlites defeat their enemies?

Isn't God against Satan? isn't that taking sides? I suppose its the way sides are taken that determine whether or not it is the right way to go.

[Gokul43201]

Hmmm, interesting ! So, if everyone was Christian, there would be no need for statesmen and policemen and lawyers and judges ?

[Entropy]

I love your post Entropy. It has helped me come to understand more about God...except for what it is I have quoted. If God does not take sides isn't that absolute for him? Did he have a symbolic reason for helping the Isaerlites defeat their enemies?

Isn't God against Satan? isn't that taking sides? I suppose its the way sides are taken that determine whether or not it is the right way to go.


God helped the Isaelites before Jesus came to Earth. After Jesus's death Isael lost God's favor and therefore God no longer helps them or any other nation anymore. He will still answer prayers of individuals though. And I never said God doesn't take sides. I said he doesn't take sides in wars [anymore].

[Grace]

My God is not a force personified. It is not an old man with a beard. It's not even anything that I can, want, or feel the need to pray to. There is no point in praying to Newton's laws of gravitation; similarly there is no point in praying to God.

Like I said, I apply the term "God" to the physics beyond our closed universe...the region between the multiverse's closed bubbles where "omnipotence, omnipresence" and "timelessness" are all de-facto standards of that region of "space".

So I guess I believe in "The Force". No matter how cliched that sounds. What I believe is in no way (save for a few adjectives describing the "entity") related to the Bible whatsoever.

Believing in God is not about being a good person, doing well to your fellow mankind or having faith in the Bible and all it represents...that's the job of Religion...something I have no time for and also dismiss as a sorry interference in the progress of mankind.

[Feynman]

The only exact religion is the Islam

[Smurf]

I call it the force. Upon further reflection I call it the great. Because it is great.

[olde drunk]

what the hell is an "exact religion"? never heard of such a phrase.

i believe that god is the sum of all the parts of the universe, pantheism. AND, greater than that sum. 1+1=3

love&peace,
olde drunk

[nasrin]

God helped the Isaelites before Jesus came to Earth. After Jesus's death Isael lost God's favor and therefore God no longer helps them or any other nation anymore. He will still answer prayers of individuals though. And I never said God doesn't take sides. I said he doesn't take sides in wars [anymore].

this is the funniest story i have ever heard. God helps no NATION. really. where did you ever get that idea from? After Jesus death Israel lost God's favor. i think you guys have some problem in those things, i think you guys don't know the real story at all, so missing the facts. God helps everyone. God listen to everyone, but in the sight of God the most favorable one is the one who has the most fear of Allah, and righteous one, one who serves Him and associate none with Him.
He is the God of everyone and everything.

[TheStatutoryApe]

But you can claim certainty regarding your inability to certainly know...certainly strange.


When I state that I am certain that nothing is certain I regard it as a self inclusive statement.

[nasrin]

The only exact religion is the Islam
i think you should know what is islam better before you tell someone the only exact religion is the islam.
the word islam means submission of one's will to God. after that there comes the responsibility of it.

[Entropy]

this is the funniest story i have ever heard. God helps no NATION. really. where did you ever get that idea from? After Jesus death Israel lost God's favor.

The Christian Bible completely disagrees with you. It is clearly pointed out in the New Testiment that nation of the world are wicked and under the influence of Satan. Just to state some examples: Pr 29:2; 28:28; 2Co 4:4; 1Jo 5:19; Joh 12:31; Da 2:44; mt 6:10.

i think you guys have some problem in those things, i think you guys don't know the real story at all, so missing the facts.

Really? What part of the story aren't we getting? Be specific.

God helps everyone. God listen to everyone, but in the sight of God the most favorable one is the one who has the most fear of Allah, and righteous one, one who serves Him and associate none with Him.
He is the God of everyone and everything.

Yes, God still helps individuals as I stated. But not nations as a whole.