Many 'worlds' and God (part 2)

[phoenixthoth]

I hope this is not viewed as a religious discussion. If it is, at least fill me in on item 1, if you will.

1. How many parallel worlds are postulated or theorized to exist? A finite number, countably many, uncountably many, more?

2. I've seen some people argue that the many worlds theory would, if true, imply that God (whatever that means) exists. It (or He if you prefer) must exist in a so called parallel universe even if that universe is not this universe. Then, since most people (I would assume) claim that God is omnipresent, God exists in this universe.

Is it too religious to discuss that argument? I'm not referring to any scripture, traditions, rituals, etc, associated with religion.

[Russell E. Rierson]

I hope this is not viewed as a religious discussion. If it is, at least fill me in on item 1, if you will.

1. How many parallel worlds are postulated or theorized to exist? A finite number, countably many, uncountably many, more?

2. I've seen some people argue that the many worlds theory would, if true, imply that God (whatever that means) exists. It (or He if you prefer) must exist in a so called parallel universe even if that universe is not this universe. Then, since most people (I would assume) claim that God is omnipresent, God exists in this universe.

Is it too religious to discuss that argument? I'm not referring to any scripture, traditions, rituals, etc, associated with religion.


Some interesting multiverse articles by Paul Davies.


Multiverse or Design? Reflections on a ‘Third Way’:

http://aca.mq.edu.au/PaulDavies/Multiverse_StanfordUniv_March2003.pdf


Reality in the melting pot:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1047755,00.html

[Russell E. Rierson]

An interesting multiverse FAQ on this Max Tegmark page:

http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/multiverse.html

[Gecko]

1. im guessing an infinite amount seeing as we know nothing of the multiverse in which the universes reside in.

2. i dont understand what you are getting at. how does the many worlds theory prove god exists? that doesnt make sense. it merly shows that he might exist in a universe seperate from ours, but if he is omnipresent, its a counterdiction.

[Russell E. Rierson]

I hope this is not viewed as a religious discussion. If it is, at least fill me in on item 1, if you will.

1. How many parallel worlds are postulated or theorized to exist? A finite number, countably many, uncountably many, more?

2. I've seen some people argue that the many worlds theory would, if true, imply that God (whatever that means) exists. It (or He if you prefer) must exist in a so called parallel universe even if that universe is not this universe. Then, since most people (I would assume) claim that God is omnipresent, God exists in this universe.

Is it too religious to discuss that argument? I'm not referring to any scripture, traditions, rituals, etc, associated with religion.


I propose the "Strange Loop Conjecture" where the muliverse is initially created by a higher intelligence. This creates a self referential Godellian "Strange Loop" of multiverses.

This first[Alpha] being could be interpreted as the classic God, who sets the initial conditions FOR the loop which becomes self creating[Omega].

The multiverse would then be a nonlinear feedback loop with only a finite[yet still huge] number of universes, not an infinite number of them

STRANGE LOOPS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_loop

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/StrangeLoop.html

[Corwin]

i dont understand paul davies' argument that multiverse theory goes against occums razor, to me it seems like the simplest explaination for the "biofriendlyness" of the observed universe. the fact that the laws in the observable universe are so perfect for the evolution of conscious beings should be interpreted as evidence for their variability in the larger unobserved realm. deism doesnt imply the variability of the laws of the observable universe and should therefore not be equated to the multiverse theory.

i couldnt quite figure out what his third possibility was. can someone try to summarize it for me? thank you.

[selfAdjoint]

1. im guessing an infinite amount seeing as we know nothing of the multiverse in which the universes reside in.

2. i dont understand what you are getting at. how does the many worlds theory prove god exists? that doesnt make sense. it merly shows that he might exist in a universe seperate from ours, but if he is omnipresent, its a counterdiction.

Davies shows that in Tegmark's level 4, a universe can exist where all the miracles of the Bible are physically possible, so that Christianity can be physically true. This is his proof of "God is contained in the Multiverse". But of course an omnipotent god could create the multiverse, so the multiverse is contained in God. Now if the multiverse and God were both sets in set theory that would show they were identical. He doesn't claim that, but it is true that if we discuss them in boolian logic, we cannot distinguish them, which I think is his point.

[tribalmemory]

A multiverse existence makes a good basis for sci-fi movies. Anyone see "the One" with Jet Li?
It's the product of a healthy imagination however, I think it's taking the notion of Schrodinger's cat being in any state (or all states or no state) a bit too far.

[phoenixthoth]

Davies shows that in Tegmark's level 4, a universe can exist where all the miracles of the Bible are physically possible, so that Christianity can be physically true. This is his proof of "God is contained in the Multiverse". But of course an omnipotent god could create the multiverse, so the multiverse is contained in God. Now if the multiverse and God were both sets in set theory that would show they were identical. He doesn't claim that, but it is true that if we discuss them in boolian logic, we cannot distinguish them, which I think is his point.

Very interesting idea. That's basically where I'm coming from or at least what I have in my heart as I read this stuff, though not necessarily what's in my brain. I'm coming from a similar direction Cantor was coming from.

[freep2]

Please check out www.kyron.com. They a have hi&low speed page index.
Look for interdimensional page as well as others on DNA and Cosmic Lattice Packing.
I have not read them all as yet. Very interesting,?