Estimate Alpha Particle Energy in Nuc. Eng. Problem

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The discussion revolves around estimating the energy of an alpha particle in a nuclear engineering context, specifically related to ionization chamber measurements and decay rates. Participants explore the relationship between current generated in the chamber, ion pairs produced, and the energy of the alpha particles emitted from a radioactive source.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about how to approach the problem, noting their background in materials science and seeking guidance on relevant equations.
  • Another participant suggests that the activity rate may not be part of the solution and introduces the concept of Linear Energy Transfer (LET), questioning its relevance to the problem.
  • A subsequent post corrects the previous mention of LET, emphasizing the importance of the current generated by ion pairs and the relationship between charge, time, and ionization energy.
  • One participant attempts to derive the energy of the alpha particle using the current and the number of ion pairs but encounters a negative value, leading to confusion about the calculations.
  • Another participant clarifies the calculation of alpha production rate from the activity and corrects the misunderstanding regarding the number of disintegrations per second, providing a formula to relate current to energy.
  • There is a request for participants to avoid double posting, indicating a concern about the organization of the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to the problem, with multiple viewpoints on the relevance of certain concepts and calculations. Disagreements arise regarding the interpretation of the activity rate and its role in determining the energy of the alpha particles.

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Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions needed for calculations, such as the distance the alpha particle travels and the concentration of atoms involved in ionization. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions that affect the clarity of the discussion.

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okay... I have a problem that I've been asked in my nuclear waste class, and since I have a materials science background, I have no clue where to begin. If someone could let me know where to start with this problem I would greatly appreciate it (don't tell me the answer). I'm supposed to estimate the energy in Mev of an alpha particle from a source of activity 1.0*10(-6) Ci which creates a saturation current of 1.0*10^(-9) A in an ionisation chamber. And I'm supposed to assume e = 1.6*10^(-19) C, 1 Ci = 3.7*10^(10) disintegrations per sec. and 30 eV is needed to produce on ion pair. I know the activity = # of disintegrations/sec = decay constant (lambda) * concentration (n(t)); however, I've been looking at various Nuclear Engineering books and haven't been able to figure out what equations I need for this problem.
 
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The activity rate is not part of the solution.

An alpha particle losses energy by collisions with atoms and the ionization process, and you have mentioned "30 eV is needed to produce on ion pair."

Somewhere in the problem, it must state how far the alpha particle travels from birth to rest, and then one must know the concentration of atoms to get the collisions/(unit length of trajectory).

Are you familiar with Linear Energy Transfer rate?
 
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The activity rate is not part of the solution.

An alpha particle losses energy by collisions with atoms and the ionization process, and you have mentioned "30 eV is needed to produce on ion pair."

Somewhere in the problem, it must state how far the alpha particle travels from birth to rest, and then one must know the concentration of atoms to get the collisions/(unit length of trajectory).

Are you familiar with Linear Energy Transfer rate?

Would the Linear Energy Transfer rate be
E(decay) = [M(x) -[M(y) + n (M(electron)]](931.5 MeV/amu) ? I'm not exactly sure what the Linear Engergy Transfer rate is since my background is in Glass Science and Engineering. I just got that equation from some of the resources I've been looking at.

and also, the problem doesn't state anything about how far the particle travels. My professor said that we need to back calculate, but I don't see how that can be done with the information given.
 
Sorry, I mis-led you there.

You have a current, which is caused by the number of ion pairs generated per unit time, and the current is just charge (C = coulomb) per unit time (C/s).

The total number of ion pairs is equal to the [E(alpha) x Number of alphas]/(30 eV per ion pair).

Now you also have a source strength - the number of alphas = number of decays/sec.

See if that helps.

Forget about linear energy transfer rate - I was incorrect intially when I mentioned it does not apply in this problem, and the rate of decay does.
 
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This is where I'm at so far. I'm getting a negative number, so I'm not sure what's going on with that.

Since we know that the current is caused by the number of ion pairs generated per unit time, and I = Q/t, where Q = amount of charge (e = 1.6x10-19 C) and t = time, the time is 1.6x10-10 sec.

Using the equation (n(ion) /t) = (E(a)n(a) / 30 eV) where n(ion) = number of electron pairs, t = time, E(a) = Energy of an alpha particle, and n(a) = number of alpha decays per second we can solve for E(a).

E(a) = 30 eV (1 ion pair) / n(a)(1.6x10-10 sec.)

Since we know that n(a) = a – n(ion), where a = source strength, we get n(a) = (1.0x10-6 Ci – 3.7x1010 dis./sec.) = -3.7x1010 dis./sec.

This is where I get confused since I don't think there can be a negative disintegrations per second which would lead to a negative energy.
 
Herein lies the problem and perhaps some confusion,
Since we know that n(a) = a - n(ion), where a = source strength, we get n(a) = (1.0x10-6 Ci - 3.7x1010 dis./sec.) = -3.7x1010 dis./sec.
This not correct. 1 Ci = 3.7 x 1010 dps (dps = 1 disintegration per s) .

The production rate of alphas Ra = Activity * dps/Ci = 1 x 10-6 Ci * 3.7 x 1010 dps/Ci = 37000 alphas/s.

Now the energy produced from the decays E is just Ra * Ea = 37000 E eV/s.

Now each ionization produces an ion pair by which the alpha particle loses approximately Ei = 30 eV.

So the ion production rate is then 37000 E (eV/s)/30 ev = 1233.3E ion pairs/sec.

Now the current I in the ionization chamber is related to the collection of the electrons,

I = q/t = 1.0 x 10-9 A, but the charge comes from the ions, so

I = (Ra * Ea)/ Ei * e, where e = 1.6*10-19 C.

So rearranging this,


Ea = (I * Ei)/(Ra * e) all the terms on the RHS are known.


BTW - please do not double post. This problem belongs in the homework section alone.
 
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Astronuc said:
BTW - please do not double post. This problem belongs in the homework section alone.

Sorry... been working on this problem for over two days now and I really wanted to figure it out. I really appreciate your help. It makes sense now. Thanks again
 

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