What factors affect the temperature dependence of electrical conductivity?

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The discussion revolves around the factors affecting the temperature dependence of electrical conductivity, exploring various models including the Drude model and considering alternative approaches. Participants examine the relationship between temperature and conductivity, as well as the role of scattering mechanisms.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to estimate the relaxation time, t(T), in the Drude model, suggesting it is the only temperature-dependent variable affecting conductivity.
  • Another participant critiques the Drude model, proposing a calculation involving the mean free path and electron velocity derived from kinetic energy to estimate the time between collisions.
  • A follow-up question addresses the mean free path, p, and its temperature dependence, noting a discrepancy with the expected behavior of thermal conductivity in metals.
  • One participant introduces the concept of effective relaxation time being influenced by lattice/phonon scattering and impurities, suggesting a more complex interaction than the Drude model accounts for.
  • There is a clarification regarding the distinction between electrical conductivity and thermal conductivity, with a note that the Drude model does not adequately explain thermal conductivity, which is primarily a phonon process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the Drude model and its assumptions. There is no consensus on the best approach to model temperature dependence, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between electrical and thermal conductivity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the Drude model, particularly regarding its treatment of electron-electron interactions and the complexities of scattering mechanisms. The discussion also reveals uncertainty about the temperature dependence of mean free path and its implications for conductivity.

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How do you with a simple model explain the temperature dependence of the
electrical conductivity.
If you use the Drude model you get for the electrical conductivity

sigma = ne^2t / m

where n is the density of mobile electrons and t is the relaxation time.
t is the time between collisions and must be the only variabel here that depends on temperature. How can you estimate t(T).

Maybe there is a better model that describes the temperature dependence of the electrical conductivity.
 
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I never liked the way the drude model gets bogus at the end:

"The only relevant quantity with dimensions of time is the time between collisions".

Alright, thermal collisions are much more frequent than conduction drift collisions. Calculate the distance between electrons N (number of conductivity electrons per cubic meter) arranged in a 1m^3 sphere (fun!). Then calculate the speed of the electrons from temperature using:

KE = 3/2 *k*T

where KE is kinetic energy, k is boltzmans and T is temperature.

Use the mean free path and velocity to compute time between collision.


After all that, throw away the drude model and study quantum mechanics.
 
thx for your answer. :smile:

I have a question about mean free path p.
I calculate it from the density of electrons n (electrons/m^3)
then p = 1/(third root of n),

and then it should be indepent of temperature.
But I know that it should be different for different temperatures.
How can you estimate p for different temperatures?

_____________________

Then I used your model to estimate the temperature dependence of the thermal conductivity of the free electrons in a metal.

K = C*T*t = D * sqrt(T)

Where C and C are constants and t again is the time between collisions.
But the experimental curve of K doesn't have this form. Only for low temperatures it has. Then it reaches a maximum and goes down.
Why?
 
Briefly :

The effective relaxation time comes from two contributions : scattering off of the lattice/phonons (not other electrons - the Drude model does not include electron-electron interactions), and scattering off of impurities and lattice imperfections.

[tex]\frac{1}{\tau} = \frac{1}{\tau _{lat}} + \frac{1}{\tau _{imp}}[/tex]

Speaking of resistivities instead of conductivities, you have

[tex]\rho = \rho _ {lat} + \rho _{imp}[/tex]

For most elemental metals, [itex]\tau _ {imp}[/itex] is fairly independent of the temperature. The lattice interactions are largely result of the fact that the lattice is vibrating rapidly, providing a large scattering cross section, so much so, that as [itex]T \rightarrow 0[/itex], [itex]\rho _ {lat} << \rho _{imp}[/itex]

So, at 0 K : [itex]\rho \approx \rho _ {imp}[/itex]

INCOMPLETE...

Just realized you are now suddenly talking about thermal conductivity [itex]\kappa[/itex], rather than electrical conductivity [itex]\sigma[/itex]. Which one is it ? Drude does NOT try to explain thermal conductivity, and can not, because this is a largely phonon process. Seminal work on thermal conductivity was done by Debye and Pierls.
 
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