The gizmo that sees through walls

[cozzmikjoker]

Okay, I know there are coast to coast listeners on here. :smile:

If you heard the guy a few nights ago...a canadian (Torontian?) that has supposedly built something in his lab (garage) that can see through walls (as clearly as a window), I'd like to hear your opinion.

Sounds like a crock, I know, but George Noory said (while he was interviewing him) that he'd seen the program on Discovery about him. I've looked all through the website and cannot find any links to it but there is a link from coasttocoast's website to his website. The guy's name is Troy Hurtubise and he has made a few inventions that he claims have the attention of a few countries. France is the one he's interested in selling to.

He's calling the contraption "The Angel Light" http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/details.asp?c=6657 (a story on it...look around for a link to more photos of it at the bottom of that page).
However I don't think there's too much angelic about it. He says it's in how it's used but this thing sounds VERY dangerous.
I'm not necessarily afraid of what harp is doing way up in the atmosphere (I know Dr. Kaku is and he may be right or he may just be too conservative on the issue, I don't know) but this Angel Light thing really scares me.

This guy is intelligent enough to have built it yet not smart enough to have put a remote control on it?
Oh for PETE'S SAKE. We know little about what electromagnetism does to the body (we now know enough XRAYS can cause cancer and there's already speculation about the microwaves of cellphones) but this guy is crazy enough to as he said "stick his hand in front of the beam"??? I do wonder, though, how he could see the blood vessels and didn't just see "a hole". Maybe he was adjusting the power lower?( he didn't give any other details).
He said he lost feeling in his hand (or use of it) for almost a year, is catching every cold, flu that comes around (losing his immunity)

He claims it could see through the wall of his garage to the license plate on his wife's car, so I would presume that the invisibility effect is limited in distance.
He did, however, state that the other effects will carry much further.
Evidently some other applications from it are as an e-bomb (it knocks out electronics from great distances) and he even claimed on the art bell show that if you aim into a closed container of carbon monixide, that it would convert to oxygen!!!!

He says France is probably interested in it, putting a "booster" on it to disable satellites. FROM THE GROUND!
I wonder how far the effects would be of the "radiation" that comes from one that big.
If the small one can cause a car to stop running or a plane to stop running, I wonder what the possible ill effects could be.

[juju]

Hi,

It could be that with the combination of E/M frequencies and energies used enough energy gets through the walls both ways to present an adequate picture of the interior.

Same with the carbon monoxide to oxygen.

juju

[FluidSpace]

Hi,

Years ago when I was working on milimeter wave radar, I was able to see through many objects at a particular frequencies. Then it occurred to me that if I was able to generate different radiant frequencies and translate/convert them to visible light, I will be able to see through just about anything by "peeling" off the exterior and adjusting power. Because of this, I can see how the "Angel Light" would work and its the potential dangers that it poses similar to the Hutchison Effect.

FluidSpace

[Ivan Seeking]

He uses red, green, blue, and black lights. nuff said?

[cozzmikjoker]

I really don't understand how something solid can be made transparent without changing its properties....obviously some solid objects are inherently transparent (glass, ice, etc) but how does a solid object that is not inherently transparent become that way (temporarily) without permanently affecting its structure?

This whole thing is almost making conspiracy theories like the Philadelphia Experiment sound possible.

[FluidSpace]

Hi Cozzmikjoker,

By experience with X-rays and milimeter wave radar, you do not have to change a material's molecular property in order to see through them or see it's contents. What the human eye sees is only part of the visible electromagnetic spectrum--there are many other wavelengths (or frequencies) out there that we cannot see without some kind of apparatus (i.e. up/down converters, modulators, lenses, filters, etc.)

As for the Philadelphia Experiment, sometime ago I personally met with a WWII verteran and U.S. Air Force Airmen (retired) who discovered along with his crew in 1948 a strange marine vessel with some sort of huge electro-dynamo and huge coil windings marrooned somewhere in the Polynesian Islands.

If you study the works of Tesla, Moray, Faraday, Theremin, etc. You will immediately realize that anything is possible. Also when you have time, you should review the Hutchison Effect-- It's very intriguing.

Hope this helps! :)

FluidSpace

[selfAdjoint]

As for the Philadelphia Experiment, sometime ago I personally met with a WWII verteran and U.S. Air Force Airmen (retired) who discovered along with his crew in 1948 a strange marine vessel with some sort of huge electro-dynamo and huge coil windings marrooned somewhere in the Polynesian Islands.

I'm sure he did; it sounds like a typical setup for "degaussing" a ship to make it invisible to magnetic detection.

[Bartholomew]

I read about Troy Hurtubise in a book on the Ig Nobel award winners. He spent all his money on building a bearproof suit of armor.

[Chaos' lil bro Order]

I think the device works like this... One collimated monochromatic laser is shined on the opaque surface (wall) whereupon excitation of the atom(s) in the surface material occurs. Deexcitation of the electron(s) causes spontaneous photon emission in a random direction normally, which is the light we see as 'opaque' coming from the surface of the material. However, if you use a second waveguide laser to create a destructive interference pattern with the orthogonally emitted photons, you can essetially filter out the light emitted from the opaque surface that is incident orthogonally (towards you when your line of sight is perpendicular to the wall).

If you were to use a plethora of these laser/wave guide pairs and focussed each pair at incrementally varied lenghts, you could essentially 'bore' through the whole thickness of the given material at a given distance, say 3 inches of brick wall.

Also, depending on the precise distance that your laser and wave guide coincide at, you can adjust the range of this device to make objects a foot away invisible, or objects a 100 yards away visible.

Essentially, this effect is akin to the holographic effect, except the holographic effect uses destructive and constructive interference patterns at a given distance to create an 'opaque' object. While the 'Angel light' uses only destructive interference to eliminate unwanted light. :smile:

[Chaos' lil bro Order]

:smile: If forgot to mention that this device would not change the material's structural integrity or characteristics after the temporal 'angel light' effect is over, since the laser/wave guide pair only interfere with the material's surface electrons one layer at a time, with each successive layer being peeled by the next laser/wave guide pair in a long train that, if the laser/wave guides are sequentially sent incident on each successive layer with enough rapidity that our eyes sum all these interference events as one large translucent tunnel through the material. Therefore, before each sequentially incident laser/waveguide pair can excite the next surface layer, the previous layer has already adhered to its adjacent layer.

This is not too clear, forgive me.

[cozzmikjoker]

:smile: If forgot to mention that this device would not change the material's structural integrity or characteristics after the temporal 'angel light' effect is over, since the laser/wave guide pair only interfere with the material's surface electrons one layer at a time, with each successive layer being peeled by the next laser/wave guide pair in a long train that, if the laser/wave guides are sequentially sent incident on each successive layer with enough rapidity that our eyes sum all these interference events as one large translucent tunnel through the material. Therefore, before each sequentially incident laser/waveguide pair can excite the next surface layer, the previous layer has already adhered to its adjacent layer.

This is not too clear, forgive me.


I think it's probably very clear, I just don't understand how all this works. You say that his contraption doesn't affect the structural integrity but shouldn't structural integrity include smaller scale stuff like the electrons?

For instance, when an Xray goes through your body, it does a little DNA damage (cellphone signals supposedly do too) but it doesn't appear to do any surface or structural damage because it's not outwardly apparent.

So are you saying that there is no structural change whatsoever or that it is, like Xray damage, not readily apparent and won't affect the stability of the wall to any noticeable extent?
It obviously did some damage to the guy's health but I don't know if that carries over to inanimate objects.

[cozzmikjoker]

I think the device works like this... One collimated monochromatic laser is shined on the opaque surface (wall) whereupon excitation of the atom(s) in the surface material occurs. Deexcitation of the electron(s) causes spontaneous photon emission in a random direction normally, which is the light we see as 'opaque' coming from the surface of the material. However, if you use a second waveguide laser to create a destructive interference pattern with the orthogonally emitted photons, you can essetially filter out the light emitted from the opaque surface that is incident orthogonally (towards you when your line of sight is perpendicular to the wall).

If you were to use a plethora of these laser/wave guide pairs and focussed each pair at incrementally varied lenghts, you could essentially 'bore' through the whole thickness of the given material at a given distance, say 3 inches of brick wall.

Also, depending on the precise distance that your laser and wave guide coincide at, you can adjust the range of this device to make objects a foot away invisible, or objects a 100 yards away visible.

Essentially, this effect is akin to the holographic effect, except the holographic effect uses destructive and constructive interference patterns at a given distance to create an 'opaque' object. While the 'Angel light' uses only destructive interference to eliminate unwanted light. :smile:


I don't understand the language you use but I gather that this thing makes an object apppear invisible a layer at a time but that they're moving so fast that it looks like all layers are invisible simultaneously, thus making the whole object appear invisible?
Sort of like when one of those signs in Las Vegas with all the light bulbs start turning of and on but bring about seemingly impossible movements of images...all done by a simple light bulb that's turning off or on at just the right interval...?
The thing that seems so amazing with this invention is that something which appear invisible should not be there. We rely on our senses to judge distance by comparitive size of things and it just doesn't seem right for an invisible object to still "be there" physically in its original and mostly unchanged structure.
When you look at an xray or any other device like that, you are only seeing an image on a machine or on a photograph. With the Angelight, you are seeing the actual OBECT being invisible and that's almost too much to believe.

[Chaos' lil bro Order]

You said' I gather that this thing makes an object appear invisible a layer at a time but that they're moving so fast that it looks like all layers are invisible simultaneously, thus making the whole object appear invisible?'

Yes, your understanding is perfect and may I say that both your posts were excellent in their grasp of and analogy to, the concepts involved in 'angel light'. There is no structural decay of any of the objects shined upon. Your x-ray example with cell phones would cause damage to your skin and also your DNA. Think about things like this.... If I shine a photon on a sphere, the sphere will then emit a photon in a random direction. If by chance the random direction was out of the sphere's back and away from me, I would not see the sphere at all. Luckily for me, when I shine billions of photons at the sphere, many of them will happen to be emitted towards my eye and I will perceive the sphere as a solid object. However, if I could steer these billions of photons so that they all exit the sphere's back and therefore never reach my eyes, I will 'see' the sphere as invisible. Of course if I walk up to the sphere and kick it, it will still hurt my toe.

Take glass for example, you can see through it, but kick it and it will hurt. Of course glass is a slightly different example because if I shine a light on glass, most photons will pass through the glass and not hit its atoms. Any photon that does hit an atom, will be absorbed and re-emitted in a random direction. Because much fewer photons are absorbed than those that pass right through, we perceive glass as mainly translucent, mainly invisible. With the angel light shined on a brick wall, we can say that every photon will definitely hit an atom in the brick and each atom will absorb and re-emit a photon in a random direction. Since some directions lead to our eyes, we will definitely 'see' the brick wall unless.... Unless you shine a second light beam on the brick that acts as a force field to push all the unwanted photons entering our eyes, back to the direction they came from and out the back of the brick wall. If we can do this, then all the brick walls photons will be moving away from our eyes and we will never see the brick wall period.

I hope this is clear. If not, perhaps you could set up a 'master analogy' and I could try and fill in the blanks in that framework.


Incidently, a mirror is the opposite of glass in the sense that a mirror allows no photons to get emitted out of its back and away from your eyes, and in fact all its photons get emitted directly back towards their original source. So when you see your face in a mirror, its because a light bulb sends photons on your skin, whereupon your skins atoms absorb and re-emit the photons towards the mirror. Then the mirror absorbs those photons and re-emits them not randomly directed, but directed back towards their source, your face. (technically photons are reflected at the same angle of incidence they came in at, but this is not important to know for our purposes). :smile:

[cincirob]

Hi cozz,
I don't know about walls, but as part of developments for airport security, someone has developed a machine that will see through clothing. Apparently it is so good that they were concerned that people would be embarassed if they could see what the reviewers were seeing. Apparently you look naked. They had developed some software to mask the genitals or eliminate them from the view. I don't know it it's in use anywhere.

If you saw the Arnold Schwartzenegger movie where he was on Mars they had something like that in the spaceport except it showed skeletons, more like an X-ray.

[Christopher Small]

I am curious if this airport security devie mentioned is actually in use anywhere and if so where?

Secondly,
I am familiar with the superposition principle, but how does one emit a photon beam which will perfectly cancel? Would it have to wait until it knew what wavelengths were being bounced back and then mimic them to deconstruct?

Thirdly, even if you got some object to disappear, how would you be able to see through? Just because you've gotten all of the photons boucing off this thing to be cancelled out, how on earth do photons on the other side get through?

This is all very intriguing and I would like to find out more.

Thanks

[Chaos' lil bro Order]

Your #3) question:

Imagine the 'brick wall' you want to make diappear is made of many atoms. Each atom is similar to an orange. Each orange has pores uniformly spaced around its entire spherical surface. Each pore is capable of emitting a tiny steel spring in its given direction extends outwards from the orange. The orange then shoots these 'springs' out from every pore and in all directions. But there is a trick for eliminating 'springs' that shoot out towards you. As it turns out from scientific observation, 'springs' that start their spirals at 12 O'clock always disintegrate 'springs' that start their spirals at 6 O'clock. However, scientists know this trick only works if the springs are the same size. If one spring is larger than the other spring, they will never disintegrate eachother, even if their spirals start out oppositely at 12 and 6 O'clock as stated in the aforementioned trick.

Back to the orange... You see the orange shoot a 12 O'clock spring headed straight for your eyes so you whip out your trusty 'Angel Light' and you fire a 6'Oclock spring right back at it, and poof, both springs disappear. The best part of it all, is that, because you were only aiming at the orange 10 meters in front of you, all the other springs that were emitted from oranges behind that 10 meter distance will still hit you in the eyes (ouch!).

Now let's say that the brick wall is made of thousands of oranges of different sizes, with varying pore widths, and that shoot 12 O'clock springs of different sizes outwards toward your eyes. To effectively, disintegrate each of these springs you must have a gun that hold thousands of different sized springs that are all 6 O'clock to guarentee that you eliminate all or most of the spring the oranges cruelly shot at you. (Blast, those oranges, will they ever cease their incessant spring shooting?!?)

That's the Angel light's basic premise.

So you see, just because you disintegrate the springs being shot at you, it does not mean that when you run into the oranges, they do not squish OJ everywhere.



Please, if I left something out of the analogy, tell me and I'll add it. :smile: