What is the relationship between exponential and natural logarithm?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between exponential functions and natural logarithms, specifically focusing on the function y = log_x 4. Participants explore the domain, range, and characteristics of the function, including its increasing or decreasing nature, vertical asymptote, x-intercept, and specific values.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help identifying the domain and range of the function y = log_x 4, as well as its characteristics.
  • Another participant suggests that the expression could be clearer, indicating a need for better notation.
  • It is proposed that the function can be expressed as y(x) = ln 4 / ln x, prompting further discussion on the domain and range.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of log_a(x), with participants noting that it is only defined for a > 0 and not defined for a = 1.
  • There is confusion about the value of x, with one participant mistakenly suggesting x = 2, which is challenged by another participant.
  • Participants express varying levels of understanding, with some indicating difficulty in grasping the concepts being discussed.
  • One participant encourages the application of exponential functions to both sides of an equation to explore the relationship further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the understanding of the function or the relationship between exponential and logarithmic functions, as participants express differing levels of comprehension and confusion regarding the mathematical concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear notation in the original function, varying assumptions about the properties of logarithms, and unresolved mathematical steps regarding the domain and range.

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y = logx 4

identify the domain and range

state whether the function is increasing or decreasing, and identify the vertical asympotote, the x-intercept and the value of x at y = 1

I need some help!

thank you in advance!
 
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The 4 in your expression appears to be hanging out in space. It would be helpful if you could write the equation more clearly.
 
So your function is:
[tex]y(x)=\log_{x} 4[/tex]

Can you determine the domain and range...??

Discuss the sign of its derivative...


Daniel.

P.S.Can u solve the equation y(x*)=1??Find x*...
 
I believe that loga(x) is only defined for a> 0. Does that help.
 
Also I don't think that loga(x) is defined for a=1.
 
Write
[tex]y(x)=\frac{\ln 4}{\ln x}[/tex]

Cau u see now what is the range??What about the domain?

Daniel.
 
See I thought x was 2??
 
What "2"??Where did u pick it out?You mean the solution to the equation
[tex]\frac{\ln 4}{\ln x} =1[/tex]

I hope you're only kidding...

Daniel.
 
no, I'm kidding. this problem might as well be in chinese for all i understand of it
 
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*** NOT kidding
 
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Write it like that
[tex]\ln 4=\ln x[/tex]

Use the fact that logaritm is a surjective function...

Daniel.
 
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i'm sorry I'm not trying to be difficult i just completely don't understand what you are talking about.
 
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Erin_Sharpe said:
i'm sorry I'm not trying to be difficult i just completely don't understand what you are talking about.

Okay.Do you know the relation between the exponential and the natural logarithm?If so,apply exponential on both sides of the last equation and tell me what u get.

Daniel.
 

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