Why Does the Pink Color in a Titration Fade Over Time?

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The discussion revolves around the fading of the pink color produced by phenolphthalein during a titration over time. Participants explore various chemical processes and factors that may contribute to this phenomenon, including equilibrium shifts, hydrolysis, and the absorption of carbon dioxide. The scope includes theoretical explanations and practical implications in a laboratory setting.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the fading color may be due to the reverse reaction of water dissociating into H+ and OH- ions.
  • Others propose that equilibrium shifts towards the acidic side, leading to a decrease in pH and the fading of the pink color.
  • A participant questions the specific reactions involved, referencing both HCl and NaOH as well as BaCO3 and HCl reactions.
  • One participant posits that phenolphthalein may decompose due to hydrolysis over time, resulting in acidic products that lower the pH.
  • Another participant notes that the absorption of carbon dioxide from the air can produce carbonic acid, contributing to the pH drop and fading color.
  • It is mentioned that the color change depends on the direction of the pH change during titration, with specific reactions outlined for both acidic and basic environments.
  • One participant asserts that phenolphthalein does not decompose at its endpoint pH and does not re-equilibrate to produce acidic products, emphasizing the role of CO2 absorption in the fading color.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of titration when additional NaOH is added after reaching the faint endpoint, as this can lead to a darker color that may misrepresent the results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the fading pink color, with no consensus reached on the primary cause. Some agree on the role of CO2 absorption, while others challenge the decomposition and re-equilibration claims.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for missing assumptions regarding the specific conditions of the titration and the influence of environmental factors such as CO2 absorption. The discussion does not resolve the exact chemical processes involved.

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How to answer the question: why the pink colour (from 2-3 phenolphthalein indicator) obtained at the end point of the titration in this experiment gradually disappears over time? :confused:
Is it because of that the water will reverse back to the form of H+ and OH-?
 
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Equilibrium shifts towards the side where pH is acidic.
 
can you tell me in more detail?
you mean HCl + NaOH --> NaCl + H2O? or BaCO3 + HCl --> BaCl2 + H2O + CO2??
 
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Hello, I think phenolphthalein begins to decompose with increasing hydrolysis over time. The quinoid form is pinky-purple, but with increasing hydrolysis, acidic products develop and as cronxeh said, the pH is lowered. It is very likely that the carbon dioxide in the medium causes the pH drop, as it gives carbonic acid with water.
 
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It depends on which way the reaction went - either increasing in pH (from 8.2 to 10 - becoming red colour) or decreasing in ph (becoming acidic and dropping from 8.2 down - colorless)

So in your case you are asked (probably) to add phenolphtalein into HCl, and then gradually make drops of NaOH while stirring it.

What happens is that phenolphtalein is colorless at first (becomes the environment is acidic - HCl), and stirring the mixture while neutralizing it (adding NaOH) insures that you don't get fooled by forming pink bubbles at individual spots

What happens next is out of my realm but I'm going to imagine here, so bear with me:
phenolphtalein + HCl --> HC2H3O2 (phenolphtalein added to HCl, the pH is less than 8.2 - its colorless)

You titrating (neutralizing):
HC2H3O2 + NaOH --> Na(C2H3O2) + H2O (the pH raises around 8.2 to 10 depending on how vigorously you titrate)

Now during this titration reaction the electrons are free to move between phenolphtalein-HCl juncture and if you stop titrating the color will disappear and pH would drop into acidic range

AFAIK if you titrate fully and reaction is complete the color will stay pink/red depending how much NaOH u added
 
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yes it is due to the water which slowly reduses the color:smile: :smile:
 
Phenolthalein does NOT decompose at its endpoint pH.
Phenolthalein does NOT re-equilibrate to produce an acidic product at its endpoint pH.

Slightly basic solutions DO absorb CO2 from the air and produce the weak acid HCOOOH. The absorption happens fairly slowly and a faint pink endpoint will gradually fade. Adding more NaOH after the faint endpoint is reached (producing a darker endpoint) will cause the pink solution to persist much longer but also results in an inaccurate titration and should be avoided. When I'm grading a student's lab technique score, these dark endpoints are a guaranteed low score!
 

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