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Are women more beautiful than men? Or does it just seem like that to my adolescent mind?
Of course they are.
Women are like fine sculptures, every curve is beautifully crafted for aesthetic purposes. Men are like fine robots, ugly as sin but a masterpiece of plumbing.
dextercioby
Feb5-05, 10:45 AM
We ugly men,let's look at the bright side.Some women are ugly too...
Daniel.
EDIT:And ugly women end up with dumb (read "blind") men.
well...when a man is in good shape, tight fit body....I think they are more beautiful then women...
I mean, really...just take the eyelashes....why it's always the men that are born with the thick full eyelashes that women have to use mascara to get?!!
beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
Icebreaker
Feb5-05, 10:58 AM
Well, that depends on which team you're playing for.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
Is justice as well?
Women have more sexually attractive bodies. Most of the women I know agree that even though they are attracted to men, men's bodies are pretty plain.
Kat, I agree on the eyelash thing. The most attractive thing to me about a man are his eyes. The next thing is his hands, masculine hands with long fingers. <swoon>
I also don't like little girly noses on men. :yuck:
The_Professional
Feb5-05, 11:35 AM
men's bodies are pretty plain.
I don't think most women would agree after they see Brad Pitt in Troy :eek:
Moonbear
Feb5-05, 11:56 AM
Women have more sexually attractive bodies. Most of the women I know agree that even though they are attracted to men, men's bodies are pretty plain.
I have to agree on this too. Well, men's bodies aren't plain, but they are more rugged than flashy. Women are the sleek sports cars and men are the 4WD pick-up trucks.
Kat, I agree on the eyelash thing. The most attractive thing to me about a man are his eyes. The next thing is his hands, masculine hands with long fingers. <swoon>
I also don't like little girly noses on men. :yuck:
:rofl: Eyes are important, but after that, it's shoulders for me. Nice broad shoulders. :!!) And hands shouldn't be too soft...no library hands for me, a few callouses, and thick fingers will do.
BoulderHead
Feb5-05, 12:10 PM
Are women more beautiful than men? Or does it just seem like that to my adolescent mind?
Both feminine and masculine beauty exist.
Does it matter too much??? It isn't just shapes that people like. Personality, hobbies etc.
The Bob (2004 )
Bob:
I agree with you that there's more to a relationship than physical beauty. That said, I would conjecture that a rather sizable majority of relationships would never have happened if the two people weren't physically attracted to one another initially. Fortunately, different people have different standards of beauty, so one person's 'yuck' may be another person's 'OMG, what a hottie.'
Fortunately, different people have different standards of beauty, so one person's 'yuck' may be another person's 'OMG, what a hottie.'
Hope springs eternal..:biggrin:
beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
No chicken, that should read "beerholder".
Yeah ! after few beers I don't look for beauty I'm just horny .
women better looking than men? i don't really think so... well, maybe in their prime.
though, women age horribly.
Bob:
I agree with you that there's more to a relationship than physical beauty. That said, I would conjecture that a rather sizable majority of relationships would never have happened if the two people weren't physically attracted to one another initially. Fortunately, different people have different standards of beauty, so one person's 'yuck' may be another person's 'OMG, what a hottie.'
It is a good point and to a point it is true. Somethings that is what it is or something it is something else.
The Bob (2004 ©)
women better looking than men? i don't really think so... well, maybe in their prime.
though, women age horribly.
I agree with you and would like to add, that white women in particular from USA baloon horrendously after having first child.I don't see this pattern in Asian or even in white women from lets say France or meditteraean region.
women better looking than men? i don't really think so... well, maybe in their prime.
though, women age horribly.
sounds like you just have bad luck...there are many women who age gracefully.
I agree with you and would like to add, that white women in particular from USA baloon horrendously after having first child.I don't see this pattern in Asian or even in white women from lets say France or meditteraean region.
that's a stereotype, after two kids i still fit into my pre-pregnancy jeans.
I lived in France and Germany and almost never saw so many obese women as in USA.The ones I saw must have been tourists from States or UK.
Something in food I guess. :confused:
Moonbear
Feb5-05, 07:25 PM
Something in food I guess. :confused:
Not something in it, just too much of it. But it has nothing to do with pregnancy. That pregnancy weight melts off pretty quickly when breast feeding (most of my friends had the problem of getting too skinny because they couldn't eat enough to keep up with the energy demands of lactation). Those who don't lose the weight or gain more weight probably would have anyway.
Women have more sexually attractive bodies.
I used to think that... then I wore a dress to school and realised I have more hip than most of the girls on campus.
matthyaouw
Feb6-05, 02:23 PM
I used to think that... then I wore a dress to school and realised I have more hip than most of the girls on campus.
I'm sure this isn't the first time you've mentioned the dress today. You seem to relish the experiece a little too much. Is there something you're not telling us? :wink:
FulhamFan3
Feb6-05, 04:08 PM
I don't even know why women even go with guys to begin with. I mean have you seen men? They're grotesque. That's why lesbianism is almost acceptable whereas a male gay couple is gross. It means not only do they reject women, they actually perfer the ugly male body. If you ask the average man if two woman kissing is a turn-on they'll say yes. If you ask a woman if two guys making out is a turn-on I'll bet they'll say it does the opposite.
sounds like you just have bad luck...there are many women who age gracefully.
i demand to know where you have seen such a sight!
call me straight, but i love men.
Astronuc
Feb6-05, 09:24 PM
I would have to say that I find women more beautiful - but then I am a heterosexual male, so what do I know?
As for aging, it depends on the individual. I see many middle-aged parents (men and women) who are so over-weight its sad. I also know several people in their 50's and 60's, and I must say that the women tend to age better than the men. But it all comes down to diet/nutrition and excercise.
I also have to say that I know a few women who nearly 60 or in their early 60's, and they do look quite attractive. In fact, one looks in better shape than most teenage girls I see these days. Obesity in teenagers and young adults is a serious problem these days, and the adult population will have significant health problems in 30-50 years time.
Finally, I hope I don't get into trouble for this, but I venture to say that Evo will still look gorgeous when she is 65+. :smile:
matthyaouw
Feb7-05, 06:01 AM
I don't even know why women even go with guys to begin with. I mean have you seen men? They're grotesque. That's why lesbianism is almost acceptable whereas a male gay couple is gross. It means not only do they reject women, they actually perfer the ugly male body. If you ask the average man if two woman kissing is a turn-on they'll say yes. If you ask a woman if two guys making out is a turn-on I'll bet they'll say it does the opposite.
I don't know where to begin disagreeing with you, So I'll start here:
Grotesque? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and despite your view of males, many people (both male and female) find men very attractive.
As for lesbianism being acceptable while male homosexuality being gross: Not true. Many find either both acceptable, or neither acceptable. If you are talking about the stereotypically male obsession with lesbianism, that is not to do with who is more attractive, but preferred sexuality. A heterosexual male will most likely not find two men together attractive, obviously. Elements of homophobia may come in to it also. If a man is somewhat afraid of homosexuality being directed towards him, or afraid of any urges he himself may secretly have, the natural reaction to it will be shown as disgust.
As for gay and lesbian kissing: I wouldn't bet too much if I were you, as I know men who find lesbianism a turnoff, and many women who find men kissing a turn on. I disagree about the relative attractiveness of each gender being an issue here; it is due to individual sexual preference, rather than how attractive the individual is.
Moonbear
Feb7-05, 11:28 AM
:rofl: This thread is funny! Now we're arguing over which sex ages more gracefully?? Ha...I'll make it easy for you...neither! Men get bald, grow a gut, and have nasty hair growing out of their ears and noses. Women start to sag and get that hunchback look. Both get wrinkly, get arthritis, start to creak and groan as they move. This is of course why I just don't plan on getting old. :biggrin:
If you ask the average man if two woman kissing is a turn-on they'll say yes. If you ask a woman if two guys making out is a turn-on I'll bet they'll say it does the opposite.
This is due to evolution not ashthetic beauty. Men seeing women turned on would be in a position to reproduce with one of them, or both due to the opportunity. Women seeing the same thing would not be interested in doing sex with a random man just because he was turned on.
I am a heterosexual male. I like looking at pretty women, and not men.
But.... I have to say that I can see few evolutionary reasons for women being better looking than men, and more for men being better looking than women(such as more competition to find someone to impregnate). However, I am also surprised by the societal fact of women caring more about their appearance than men.
Life is balanced, women like men and men like women. Their bodies are for the opposite sex. If a woman thinks that men are not good looking, she must be a lesbian and so on with a man.
Women are more beautiful then men...there's no doubt about that. Tis the main reason why men become so excited and irrational around women, cause they notice the great differences. Anyone who disagrees is confused and perhaps should consider devising a song which praises the "beauty of man."
Women are more beautiful then men...there's no doubt about that. Tis the main reason why men become so excited and irrational around women, cause they notice the great differences. Anyone who disagrees is confused and perhaps should consider devising a song which praises the "beauty of man."
Ok, so it's the word "Beautiful" and "handsome" let's say "Good looking"
niether genders are better looking than the opposite
I think the male body is beautiful, if like the female body, its taken care of. The statue of David comes to mind when I think of males and beauty. I also have a early morning runner in my neighborhood, he is also beyond handsom.
honestrosewater
Jun8-05, 09:26 AM
Question for MB, or anyone else that knows: Who was doing the selection among humans, early humans, apes- male or female? Was there much sexual selection going on?
BTW, I think David (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=1558) is beautiful, but if you're looking for a good conversation...
Edit: Hah, that is too funny. Okay, here are hands (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=1560) for Evo and MB. Can't find the brains...
:blushing: ok I'm off to take a cold shower now.....{sighsssssss}
honestrosewater
Jun8-05, 09:43 AM
Okay, I removed the rear view. Wouldn't want to keep the ladies or gents from getting any work done all day...
there are many women who age gracefully.i demand to know where you have seen such a sight!
The famous ones that come to mind are Tina Turner, Dianne(sp?) Sawyer, Katey Sagal, Julie Andrews, Meryl Streep, Jolene Blalok (okay, Vulcans are different, but she looks pretty damned good for 65...)
ramollari
Jun8-05, 09:58 AM
Question for MB, or anyone else that knows: Who was doing the selection among humans, early humans, apes- male or female? Was there much sexual selection going on?
Were the early female apes more beautiful than the male apes?
Which are more beautiful among birds: males or females?
honestrosewater
Jun8-05, 10:15 AM
Were the early female apes more beautiful than the male apes?
Which are more beautiful among birds: males or females?Hm, I don't think I've ever looked at apes that way before. Danger?
Birds are pretty much the only example I know of when it comes to sexual selection. Or maybe the only ones I can think of right now. But is it really safe to go backwards? If women are more beautiful, then males were the selectors? I'm not sure modern concepts of beauty are even applicable, I was just looking for someone to blame for the men. :tongue2:
Ok, so it's the word "Beautiful" and "handsome" let's say "Good looking"
niether genders are better looking than the opposite
Yeah, I suppose this is one way to go, I think that the "physical attractiveness" of a man is more defined. Such as where one refers to the statue of David, the physical features are more quite specific, rigid...defined. Nothing generally beautiful about it in the larger sense. I think that the ideal female body is to be more beautiful all over so as in one unified theme. No flaws whatsoever. And thus it is more fitting to call a female body "beautiful." Male....more "handsome", "powerful", "cut", defined.
:rofl: This thread is funny! Now we're arguing over which sex ages more gracefully?? Ha...I'll make it easy for you...neither! Men get bald, grow a gut, and have nasty hair growing out of their ears and noses. Women start to sag and get that hunchback look. Both get wrinkly, get arthritis, start to creak and groan as they move. This is of course why I just don't plan on getting old. :biggrin:
i thought baldness was caused due to excess testosterone? :bugeye:
yea I think I just gave major kudos to all bald guys.. there is probably a crowd of horny women storming the hair transplant clinic right about now :biggrin:
quote "This is due to evolution not ashthetic beauty. Men seeing women turned on would be in a position to reproduce with one of them, or both due to the opportunity. Women seeing the same thing would not be interested in doing sex with a random man just because he was turned on"
men are turned on by girls kissing because they are basic.
Q: whats good?
A: one women
Q: whats better than that?
A: two women
Q: is there anything better than that?
Q: five women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gravenewworld
Jun8-05, 07:33 PM
Men age with grace far better than women. By the time a woman is 60 her boobs are already on the floor and needs to have 3 face lifts.
maybe we're all just a bit superficial about a woman's looks. if an older woman with sagging breats isn't beautiful... then what? surgery is beautiful? an older woman who doesn't look her age? women seem to be held to higher standards physically. i think it'd make sense if we then seem to be more 'beautiful.'
at any rate. i think men and women can look good or bad. i tend to be more picky about the women i find attractive. so meh.
Hm, I don't think I've ever looked at apes that way before. Danger?
Huh? Wha...? :confused: Why's everybody lookin' at me? :confused:
TheStatutoryApe
Jun8-05, 09:21 PM
As a male I find women to me more attractive. It would seem to me though that more women find the female figure to be aesthetically pleasing then there are men who find the male figure to be pleasing.
I don't get this idea that women have to have a perfect figure to be beautiful though. My last girlfriend had an underdevolped leg due to "fetal yoga" as she put it. I still found her to be emensly attractive though from the very first time I ever saw her.
Ofcourse this may have been because it would be harder for her to get away. :biggrin:
Huckleberry
Jun8-05, 10:45 PM
Why must attractiveness be exclusively combined with any kind of desire for sex?
I look at the body of a healthy woman and I think it is beautiful and sexually desirable. Looking at the body of a healthy man and I still think it is beautiful. I think there is so much social conditioning that it shapes peoples beliefs from peer pressure.
Here's a story about my loving family. After leaving the military I was trying to get started in Phoenix, AZ. I was staying with my great uncle while I was looking for a job and saving up some money to get a place of my own. After a few weeks he told me I had to be out by the end of the month. He told me that it was because his brother was coming. His brother is my grandfather, and there was an extra room that they could have stayed in. I figured he has always been a bachelor and likes his solitude and maybe so many people visiting at once would make him feel uncomfortable.
So I had been working for almost three weeks and had maybe two paychecks. I had the tires on my car replaced and some work done and filled the gas tank. The rest I spent on a room for the week in a dive on Indian School road. I had almost no money for food. (I had, perhaps foolishly, spent almost all the money I had saved from the navy driving around the country for several months and living on friends couches, hotel rooms, and sometimes staying in my car at rest stops.) I still wondered why my great uncle (or 'not so great uncle' as I often refer to him now) had evicted me.
A week or two later I was visiting my aunt and uncle in southern Arizona and my uncle told me that my great uncle had said he believed I was gay and that was the reason he kicked me out. One time when my uncle was drunk (not a good move for a diabetic) he just asked me straight up "Are you gay?" I told him "No." But ofcourse the family rumor mill went crazy and gossip was flying around, but nobody else had the courage to ask me how I felt. That made me very uncomfortable. I went to confront my great uncle and he claimed he never said I was gay. I still had to deal with the silent accusations of my family.
I realized a few things about my family. I don't remember ever hugging my father. That sort of physical contact was never allowed. I was 8 or 9 years old and went with my parents to my father's mother's funeral. She had died of some kind of intestinal cancer. I went to give my grandfather a hug and he put out his hand for a handshake. I was taken aback by that. A 9 year old kid isn't allowed to hug his grandfather even at a funeral of a loved one.
I've dealt with the same thing throughout middle and high school. Because I don't exhibit the stereotypical attitude that men are expected to have for women in this culture there are mean people that make mean assumptions. I think its all bunk. So many people looking over there shoulders questioning everyone's sexuality to make sure everyone is the same so they can create a nice safe comfort zone for themselves. I don't think those kids actually believed I was gay; they were trying to reassure themselves and their peers of their own masculinity or femininity. Yes, some women will often accuse a man of being gay if she is upset because he doesn't find her attractive. It's all hateful. There are women who enjoy hurting a man they consider weak.
What is wrong with taking pleasure in hugging a friend that you haven't seen in a long time. When a friend smiles at me I feel good about myself and the smile is attractive. I find that the more I come to know and love someone the more attractive they appear to me. There is nothing more or less attractive in either a man or a woman's body. Men don't age more gracefully; women are just more accepting of men's appearance while both men and women are very critical of a woman's appearance. Sexual attraction is only a small part of what makes a person attractive.
Are people doomed to hate what they don't understand? Can we not truly think for ourselves? I think Kerrie said it best with her nice, short, direct reply "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 01:09 AM
It's a basic trick quetion, really.
ok, confession: i'm not a skinny girl... matter of fact, i'm probably the opposite... seriously. i'm not as fat as they come, but i'm significantly bigger than many of my friends. I dated and was engaged to a skinny guy, i never believe he thought i was beautiful because of my weight. I'm now dating a different guy, who insists everytime i see him, that i'm more beautiful than before, he's also very obviously sexually attracted to me... but i still don't feel like an attractive girl. Its really phenominally difficult to understand why someone would like my looks. they way i've seen it is that, well, my face is pretty-ish, so hopefully thats enough for someone to not dwell on my size.
i look at the pictures of models, and i can't believe anything other than that would be beautiful. all my friends are small and beautiful. i think i'm probably the only girl above a size 1, (and i'm quite above that.) its obvious when we go out who people find more attractive.
lately i've gotten so confused. i've actually talked to people who say they like round or thick girls... fat even? i just don't understand it. i really don't. i've even had guys who generally like skinny girls say that i'm plenty attractive... which is even more confusing, because i'm not skinny at all, i don't understand it.
the more i think about this thread, the worse i feel about things. i don't feel as critical at all when i look at men, and i can see they beauty in most guys. but in women... its so easy to see all the flaws.
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 02:02 AM
lately i've gotten so confused. i've actually talked to people who say they like round or thick girls... fat even? i just don't understand it. i really don't. i've even had guys who generally like skinny girls say that i'm plenty attractive... which is even more confusing, because i'm not skinny at all, i don't understand it.
What makes a woman attractive or not depends on the individual man you're asking. That's all there is too it. Huckleberry echoed Kerrie, and so will I: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
A guy can look at a woman and think she's very beautiful, and, at the same time, not be all that sexually attracted. A different woman, one who falls outside what he thinks of as "beautiful" can affect him, because of the whole picture, such that he's much more attracted to her. We are very much affected by the way women move, for example. Women move in an essentially "unmale" way that draws attention to itself and fascinates us.
Example: If a guy picks up a glass of water he most likely uses way more strength or muscle than is necessary. A woman is much more likely to pick it up with the least possible effort, and it comes off as graceful.
In addition, there is all the body language and facial expression stuff that most men don't know how to describe and analyze. It is always powerfully affecting them, but they don't talk about it with much sophistication. A guy can say a girl has a sexy walk, but that's about the extent of it. They end up doing alot of talking to each other about women's boobs and such, by default.
Gale all I can tell you is that its not your body fat index or even your height or even your IQ that turns a guy on sometimes... its a combination of all these factors.
You have a beautiful face, and girls should be soft and plushy like teddy bears, plus for reproductive purposes a big girl is far better for pregnancy than a skinny girl. All these things play out in a guy's mind, and yea sure he might cheat on you with a skinny b----h, but at the end of the day he comes back crawling to you and asking for forgiveness
Dr.Brain
Jun9-05, 02:25 AM
Are male aliens more beautiful or female aliens more handsome?
Different people like different things. Don't believe me? Search google for "fetish".
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 02:28 AM
Are male aliens more beautiful or female aliens more handsome?
The anser to that quetion is an unqualified yes, except on Tuesdays.
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 02:31 AM
Different guys like different things. Don't believe me? Search google for "fetish".
I was going to bring up the amazing variety of groupings by type you find on porn sites, but, of course, I don't look at porn sites so how would I know?
I'm confused... i really don't get it at all... i don't understand... fat girls... appealing? bah... nope.. don't see it. to me, if a girl is fat, she has to work on other things so that people don't mind she's fat. no one wants her to be fat in the first place.
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 02:39 AM
I'm confused... i really don't get it at all... i don't understand... fat girls... appealing? bah... nope.. don't see it. to me, if a girl is fat, she has to work on other things so that people don't mind she's fat. no one wants her to be fat in the first place.
There's "curvy" and then there's "fat". The only reason I can come up with to explain why someone would be turned on by a really obese woman is that they have a low opinion of their own attractiveness and think that the only women available to them must also be obviously unattractive.
When it comes to "curvy", that is, more often than not, just plain sexy, in and of itself. Still, it always depends on the whole picture.
There's "curvy" and then there's "fat". The only reason I can come up with to explain why someone would be turned on by a really obese woman is that they have a low opinion of their own attractiveness and think that the only women available to them must also be obviously unattractive.
When it comes to "curvy", that is, more often than not, just plain sexy, in and of itself. Still, it always depends on the whole picture.
In regards to your earlier quote then, why would people be into amputees, or extremely tall or built women? What makes obese different?
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 03:00 AM
In regards to your earlier quote then, why would people be into amputees, or extremely tall or built women? What makes obese different?
What I said about why obese women might be attractive to someone was pure speculation. I was just throwing out the most logical sounding idea that occured to me.
In general, I can't understand any guy who has a loyalty to a "type". Do guys really exist who will only be turned on by blondes? I've heard stories, but I don't understand it.
Here's one possible explanation. A couple/three months ago someone told me the story of a guy who, when he was a kid, had to reach out from his bed and hold his bedroom door closed with one hand while he was entertaining himself with the other to prevent anyone from barging in on him. Later, when he found real girlfriends, it turned out he had so conditioned himself, that he couldn't climax without having his hand on a doorknob. I have no idea if that story is true, or if it's a new urban legend, but it's an interesting story.
seriously, my head wants to explode.... i'm sooooo... is there an other word for confused... cause i've said confused a lot...
i'm like... fat... some people like that? some guys hit on me... am i hot? i want to be thin.... i think.... would that make me more or less hot? i thought more... what do i actually even look like? i have nooo idea! i can't tell whats hot, whats not. what am i sposed to change and what stays? gah.... i still can't believe i might even possibly be attractive as is... it doesn't make sense.... seriously! guh!
What I said about why obese women might be attractive to someone was pure speculation. I was just throwing out the most logical sounding idea that occured to me.
Makes sense.
In general, I can't understand any guy who has a loyalty to a "type". Do guys really exist who will only be turned on by blondes? I've heard stories, but I don't understand it.
Its usually not only blondes, but blondes have an advantage. It's like preferring Dell's to HP's. An HP can still be a kick-*** copmuter, but you would get the Dell because you like Dell more (or something like that).
Here's one possible explanation. A couple/three months ago someone told me the story of a guy who, when he was a kid, had to reach out from his bed and hold his bedroom door closed with one hand while he was entertaining himself with the other to prevent anyone from barging in on him. Later, when he found real girlfriends, it turned out he had so conditioned himself, that he couldn't climax without having his hand on a doorknob. I have no idea if that story is true, or if it's a new urban legend, but it's an interesting story.
It could be true, but thats more of a psychological conditioning problem rather than a sexual preference. 'Why we have a preference' is a different story than 'do we have a preference'.
seriously, my head wants to explode.... i'm sooooo... is there an other word for confused... cause i've said confused a lot...
i'm like... fat... some people like that? some guys hit on me... am i hot? i want to be thin.... i think.... would that make me more or less hot? i thought more... what do i actually even look like? i have nooo idea! i can't tell whats hot, whats not. what am i sposed to change and what stays? gah.... i still can't believe i might even possibly be attractive as is... it doesn't make sense.... seriously! guh!
Relax. Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
Ivan Seeking
Jun9-05, 03:11 AM
Actually, across cultures, it turns out that the size of a woman is not as important as the hip to waist ratio. Another measure of beauty is symmetry - an indicator of good breeding. A clear complexion and other indicators of good health are generally considered to be attractive features. In fact, in the end it seems that it's all about making babies. At least according to one study, it turns out that universally, men most prefer a hip to waist ratio of 7/9 I think, which also happens to have the highest success rate in childbirth. So at least in one sense it seems our instincts for beauty are really flags for reproductive viability.
The same is true for women. They tend to prefer little grey guys with big heads, black, almond shaped eyes, and like Evo said, long fingers with little suctions cups on the ends. :tongue2:
So why are sunsets beautiful? Also, I dated women who appeared to be very attractive at first, but not so after getting to know them. So how does inner beauty differ from the initial attraction of biological beauty? And how can they reverse roles in such a real sense?
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 03:23 AM
i'm like... fat... some people like that? some guys hit on me... am i hot?
Yes, you're hot. Unhot women don't get hit on.
i want to be thin.... i think.... would that make me more or less hot?
You'd probably be about the same. You might attract a different bunch of guys though.
i thought more... what do i actually even look like?
No one really knows what they look like, because what you look like changes depending on who's looking at you.
i still can't believe i might even possibly be attractive as is... it doesn't make sense.... seriously! guh!
Now, that's just crazy talk. Anyway, I think the problem is that you're just obsessing too much about it right now.
Yes, you're hot. Unhot women don't get hit on.
You'd probably be about the same. You might attract a different bunch of guys though.
No one really knows what they look like, because what you look like changes depending on who's looking at you.
Now, that's just crazy talk. Anyway, I think the problem is that you're just obsessing too much about it right now.
well, i used to think i was hit on as a joke... you know how people can be cruel and stuff right? my family always insisted i was pretty ugly growing up. my sisters were especially mean. my father was too. i have riddiculously gorgeous friends... i'm a bit insecure...
i'm gonna go eat a sandwhich now...
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 03:37 AM
The same is true for women. They tend to prefer little grey guys with big heads, black, almond shaped eyes, and like Evo said, long fingers with little suctions cups on the ends.
This misinformation is diametrically opposed to serious research by reputable labs that have continually discovered a female preference for males with height in excess of eight feet, profuse, thick body hair, sloping brow, and prodigiously large feet.
ROFL
wow Gale that one last line just made me laugh out loud at 4 am.. wow thanks
you are a gorgeous specimen i dont see a problem with hitting on you (as a matter of fact i was a few hours ago :tongue2: )
dextercioby
Jun9-05, 03:40 AM
You too?? :surprised
Gale,are you double-crossing me?:grumpy:
Daniel.
pfft.. whos this loser ^^
:rofl:
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 03:55 AM
well, i used to think i was hit on as a joke... you know how people can be cruel and stuff right? my family always insisted i was pretty ugly growing up. my sisters were especially mean. my father was too. i have riddiculously gorgeous friends... i'm a bit insecure...
Well, with sisters and father like that, no wonder you're insecure. They were just plain mean.
Every guy here thinks Pillowhead is hot. Huckleberry, who is fond of claiming looks don't matter, just about drowned in his own drool when he saw pillowhead, and you are generally adored, which I can tell from the attention you get from the guys here. I bet there's tons of guys there and at college who think you're hot. I don't think that, outside your family, there's anything to worry about.
Ivan Seeking
Jun9-05, 03:57 AM
This misinformation is diametrically opposed to serious research by reputable labs that have continually discovered a female preference for males with height in excess of eight feet, profuse, thick body hair, sloping brow, and prodigiously large feet.
That's only when they're really young...and WWF groupies. Soon they learn to appreciate the whole mind control, take you in the middle of the night, you are under my control thing. :bugeye:
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 04:09 AM
Actually, across cultures, it turns out that the size of a woman is not as important as the hip to waist ratio.
Yup. Uh huh. I have a thing for a good hip to waist ratio, yep.
Another measure of beauty is symmetry - an indicator of good breeding. A clear complexion and other indicators of good health are generally considered to be attractive features.
These make perfect sense.
No one has mentioned vivaciousness. Really "alive" seeming, snappy-witted, energetic, enthusiastic women are very attractive to me.
That may just be because that is the natural "opposite" to my general demeanor in real life: contemplative, slow thinking, and hard to start.
Is no one else attracted to the vivacious and scintillating, enthusiastic woman? There is no body type or hair color for this, it's an emotional dynamic that I find really appealing.
Huckleberry
Jun9-05, 01:47 PM
I'm confused... i really don't get it at all... i don't understand... fat girls... appealing? bah... nope.. don't see it. to me, if a girl is fat, she has to work on other things so that people don't mind she's fat. no one wants her to be fat in the first place. This is not really true. This is just a stereotype. The social definition of attractiveness is different from one culture to the next and from one period of time to another. If a guy considers a woman attractive based on the social definition then he probably is considering his own social image. There are plenty of guys that like all shapes and sizes of women.
These super skinny, model lookin' girls are not always healthy. Some have very serious physical and mental disorders. Because a woman is beautiful to social standards does not make her life any easier, or her worries about her appearance any less. If you really want to impress a guy, just be yourself. You're amazing. :smile:
Huckleberry
Jun9-05, 01:57 PM
Well, with sisters and father like that, no wonder you're insecure. They were just plain mean.
Every guy here thinks Pillowhead is hot. Huckleberry, who is fond of claiming looks don't matter, just about drowned in his own drool when he saw pillowhead, and you are generally adored, which I can tell from the attention you get from the guys here. I bet there's tons of guys there and at college who think you're hot. I don't think that, outside your family, there's anything to worry about. Hey, I don't remember saying looks don't matter. I just think their importance fades quickly. But how can Pillow Head not be hot? Who else would do such a thing?
Jimmy Snyder
Jun9-05, 02:42 PM
In my eyes, women are better looking than men. My father felt the same way and his father before him. Indeed, hundreds of millions of years of evolution went into that answer. My wife is the best looking one of all.
In my eyes, women are better looking than men. My father felt the same way and his father before him. Indeed, hundreds of millions of years of evolution went into that answer. My wife is the best looking one of all.
And she reads over your shoulder, doesn't she? :wink:
TheStatutoryApe
Jun9-05, 08:01 PM
Gale you're definitely very attractive. I'm actually one of those guys that tends to not like girls that are very skinny. Ofcourse I'm open minded to just about any body type on a woman there are just certain things that tend to catch my eye.
Also, what kinds of guys hit on your "hot" friends? Do they tend to be the kind of guy you would want to date or do they tend to turn out to be jerks? Occasionally I think that it would be nice to be better looking, or more like the steriotypical "hot guy", but when I think about it I realize that most of the girls that would find them selves attracted to me I wont be attracted to. I think that as is I tend to attract more women that are my type than not.
zoobyshoe
Jun9-05, 08:36 PM
Hey, I don't remember saying looks don't matter. I just think their importance fades quickly. But how can Pillow Head not be hot?
She can't. Pillowhead is the new PF definition of hot. Even a math crackpot who can't add two single digit numbers in his head can understand The Pillowhead Equation:
Pillowhead = Hot
Moonbear
Jun9-05, 09:00 PM
At least according to one study, it turns out that universally, men most prefer a hip to waist ratio of 7/9 I think
I hope you really meant a waist/hip ratio there, otherwise that's a pretty apple-shaped woman there!
Hmm...will 0.7 do? (Yeah, I just had to grab a tape measure and find out. :biggrin:)
Gale, you have nothing to stress about. Guys all over the place here are panting over you! You are very attractive. You just need to hang out with Italian grandmothers who will reinforce the notion over and over again that men like a woman with a little meat on her bones! Eat! Eat! :biggrin:
I've found that most women I know think men look better with clothes on than without.
A "hot guy" to me is an average, out of shape guy, love handles and a "pooch" are cute too (not the beer gut hanging over the belt :eek: ) and wears glasses.
Gale, you're absolutely ADORABLE!!! Listen to what everyone tells you. :approve:
Loren Booda
Jun9-05, 10:42 PM
I used to place women on a pedestal, like many men do, as if they were by nature more ethical and considerate than men. (#2 tries harder.)
SamuelGreen800
Jun9-05, 10:53 PM
I think that women are often held to much higher standards than men are when it comes to attractiveness, and as such, many women take better care of their bodies than do men. Of course, then you get the flip side of unhealthy diets and rake thin girls. The obsession with the perfect body is crazy in America, especially among teenage girls, or so it would seem.
Either way, as has been said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Ivan Seeking
Jun10-05, 01:18 AM
I hope you really meant a waist/hip ratio there, otherwise that's a pretty apple-shaped woman there!
:biggrin: I noticed that later. Yes, that would be the waist to hip ratio.
Here is one for the what was it thread: 36-24-36
SOS2008
Jun10-05, 01:24 AM
Men are yummy. Uh, did I say that out loud? :blushing:
Ivan Seeking
Jun10-05, 01:28 AM
Men are yummy. Uh, did I say that out loud? :blushing:
We don't know but you typed it out loud.
Yummy?
honestrosewater
Jun10-05, 01:39 AM
:biggrin: I noticed that later. Yes, that would be the waist to hip ratio.
Here is one for the what was it thread: 36-24-36That would be Barbie's measurements?
SOS2008
Jun10-05, 01:43 AM
We don't know but you typed it out loud.
Yummy?As in mmmmmm...er, did I type that out loud? :tongue2:
Ivan Seeking
Jun10-05, 02:16 AM
That would be Barbie's measurements?
in millimeters? :biggrin:
But you may be right in a way... Those were the well known measurements of Rachael Welch. But I think Barbie was modeled after someone famous such as Norma Jeane Mortensen, who had the same or similar measurements.
I've found that most women I know think men look better with clothes on than without.
A "hot guy" to me is an average, out of shape guy, love handles and a "pooch" are cute too (not the beer gut hanging over the belt :eek: ) and wears glasses.
Gale, you're absolutely ADORABLE!!! Listen to what everyone tells you. :approve:
Ugh, all those years at the gym :cry:
honestrosewater
Jun10-05, 02:32 AM
in millimeters? :biggrin:
:rolleyes: I guess I was asking for that. Anyway, I was probably wrong. I guess there's more than one way to scale her up. I found several different answers: 39-18-33, 38-18-34, 33-18-31, 39-21-33, 36-18-33, 39-23-33. Yeah, that's realistic. Edit: For comparison, my calf is 16 in.
hey, um... i just wanted to say thank you... or sorry... or something i guess.... to um, everyone i guess. i um, i'm a silly, insecure 17 yr old sometimes... so... yep.
Jimmy Snyder
Jun10-05, 04:33 AM
And she reads over your shoulder, doesn't she? :wink:
I was thinking about adding in something like '16 years of experience went into that answer'. But my wife IS attractive. No, really.
i'm like... fat... some people like that? some guys hit on me... am i hot? i want to be thin.... i think.... would that make me more or less hot? i thought more... what do i actually even look like? i have nooo idea! i can't tell whats hot, whats not. what am i sposed to change and what stays? gah.... i still can't believe i might even possibly be attractive as is... it doesn't make sense.... seriously! guh!
Body shape is just asthetics, like it or leave it, most of it is about social conditioning anyway. Beauty however is something different. Personally, it's the eyes and the mouth that show when a woman is beautiful. A smile to light up your whole day and beautiful eyes to drown in :!!)
If you want to lose weight then do it to make yourself happy not for anyone else. A large happy woman who is confident with herself is much more attractive than a miserable 'supermodel' who doesn't know who she is.
El Hombre Invisible
Jun10-05, 09:02 AM
Body shape is just asthetics, like it or leave it, most of it is about social conditioning anyway. Beauty however is something different. Personally, it's the eyes and the mouth that show when a woman is beautiful. A smile to light up your whole day and beautiful eyes to drown in :!!)
If you want to lose weight then do it to make yourself happy not for anyone else. A large happy woman who is confident with herself is much more attractive than a miserable 'supermodel' who doesn't know who she is.
Daminc is a fetishist. :surprised
Yeh, I'm kinky like that. Eyes and a mouth is a must (preferably on the actual head) :))
Well,I don't like these kind of questions.I don't know what result you want to get.Suppose we prove that men are more beautiful :surprised but for sure you don't leave women and looking for another man tomorrow.and you can't say that I'm more beautiful than every woman coz men are more beautiful. :uhh:
sometimes beautiful men have girlish prettiness but no one says that a woman with man appearance is beautiful! :devil:
I saw lots of men who hit the wall or door...when they're looking at a woman but I myself haven't seen this happpens to a woman. :rofl: and there are some beautiful woman that even other women want to look at them for so long(I'm not sure why but maybe you can say,they look at them for so long coz they feel jealous :devil: )but do guys have the same experience? :confused:
anyway,I think you have more problems when you're more beautiful. :cry:
I think you have more problems when you're more beautiful.
Luckily, I don't have that problem :yuck:
but do guys have the same experience?
I think us guys have less of a problem than ladies because there's less stigma on looking good for men.
The need to look good is force fed to a lot of women everyday so they're probably a lot more conscious of it.
El Hombre Invisible
Jun10-05, 10:04 AM
Yeh, I'm kinky like that. Eyes and a mouth is a must (preferably on the actual head) :))
I was referring, of course, to you preference for happy fat women over sulky supermodels.
Luckily, I don't have that problem :yuck:
Good for you.
I think us guys have less of a problem than ladies because there's less stigma on looking good for men.
well,your problems are different.in fact,when a woman is beautiful,it causes lots of trouble for you like falling on the ground,hitting to wall... :rofl:
but if I want to be serious,I think men have to work hard to have an attractive manner and personality.you know you should learn how to speak and behave in order to win ladies' hearts!and I think it needs more time. :biggrin:
bor0000
Jun11-05, 08:25 PM
I think men are generally much more beautiful than women. I am neutral towards most men. And im of a positive opinion of them unless their physical oblique or their language is reminiscent of something repugnant to me, which is rare. But most women, i find to be annoying,evil,insecure, and not pretty. Any women that i dont find to be defective are special.
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