Proving R^2 is a Vector Space: Finding Zero Vector & More

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The discussion revolves around proving that R^2 is a vector space, addressing specific properties such as identifying the zero vector, demonstrating scalar multiplication properties, and exploring the nature of vector spaces with respect to their elements. The scope includes theoretical aspects of vector spaces and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant suggests starting with the definition of a vector space and proving that R^2 satisfies all requirements based on operations in R.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of finding a zero vector and emphasizes the need for rigor in identifying it.
  • Some participants argue that the statement about vector spaces having either one element or infinitely many is false unless specified to be over R.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of scalar multiplication and how it relates to the existence of infinitely many elements in a vector space.
  • One participant attempts to provide a proof regarding the existence of infinitely many elements in a vector space, but others challenge the validity of this proof.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the claim that a vector space can only have one element or infinitely many. Some argue that this is not universally true, indicating that multiple competing views remain on this topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for rigorous proofs and definitions, particularly in relation to scalar multiplication and the zero vector, but do not resolve the disagreements about the nature of vector spaces.

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I had this question in my book asking me to show these things in detail, but it seems easy yet i don't understand why teacher said it was a little difficult:

1) Prove that R^2(with the rules of addition and scalar multiplication) is a vector space and find (zero vector)?

2)Deduce from the rules of addition and scalar multiplication that
0v=0(vector) for all v in V and (-1)v=-v? (v is a vector)

3) Show that a vector space U has another just 1 element or infinitely many.

I just need to see what you guys comment on this, as to me it seems like i just simply have to rewrite the rules and that's pretty much it, but again i don't think that's what its asking for, i just don't understand i guess.
 
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Start with the definition of a vector space. Show that R^2 with the given rules of addition and scalar multiplication satisfies all the requirements of a vector space.

So rewriting the rules, that's pretty much it. You should only be careful to prove the required rules only from properties of operations in R and not R^2.

For b) and c) you must prove it from the defining properties of a vector space.
 
3) is false, but not if we mean "over R".
 
matt grime said:
3) is false, but not if we mean "over R".


I had to think about that for a moment- it's false if the vector space is over a finite field!
 
2) just seems a simple application of the scalar multiple property. Start by defining the vector in some arbitrary way (v_1, v_2, ... , v_n) and use the property of real numbers, etc. to deduce what you need.
 
yea for 1) is this enough to prove that R^2 is a vector space:
The vector space of R^2 consists of the set of ordered real numbers
x = (x1, x2). Addition of these real numbers is defined by adding the components:
x + y = (x1 + y1, x2 + y2) = y + x.
And multiplication by a scalar k in R^2 is defined as
kx = (kx1, kx2).
(now what does it mean to find a zero vector?)
and for 3) i came up with, the zero vector as having one element and everything else besides zero vector in U, will have infinetly many elements. right?
 
matrix_204 said:
(now what does it mean to find a zero vector?)
Find a vector in R2 that behaves like the zero vector in the vector space axioms. You may think the choice is obvious, but you must supply the rigor.
matrix_204 said:
...and everything else besides zero vector in U, will have infinetly many elements...
Have you rigorously shown why they will have infinitely many elements (over the field R) ?
 
hypermorphism said:
Have you rigorously shown why they will have infinitely many elements (over the field R) ?

The set {0} is a subspace with just one element.
Every other subspace of U is infinite, so it has infinite number of elements, since 0 =/= v in U, then for any real number k, kv in U, since U is closed under scalar multiplication and for k ≠ d, kv ≠ dv. Proof of this is as follows:
If kv=dv, then (k – d)v = 0, so k – d ≠ 0, then
v = 1/(k – d) x (k – d)v = 1/(k – d) x 0 = 0.

Does this show everything or not?
 
No, you've not proven that any (real) vector space must have infinitely many elements - there are vector spaces that do not have infinitely many elements, and it'd be good for you to see why.

If it doesn't have just one element it has at least 2, 0 and v, say, but it must also have v, 2v, 3v,... which is an infinite list as kv-0 if and only if... now do you see why you had to prove it?
 

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