Bladibla
Feb24-05, 08:23 AM
I noticed that some people have the title guru for maths physics etc..
Just out of curiosity, when will it be time to choose one for 2005?
Just out of curiosity, when will it be time to choose one for 2005?
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dextercioby
Feb24-05, 09:04 AM
At the end of the year...It's a ceremony,a volcano (preferably activ),nice stuff...:tongue2:
And the super mentors+admins get to choose the NOMINEES.Then a short campaign follows and then the vote itself,which,fortunately,is kept secret to the non-staff members...
Daniel.
P.S.What section would you like to be nominated for...?
And the super mentors+admins get to choose the NOMINEES.Then a short campaign follows and then the vote itself,which,fortunately,is kept secret to the non-staff members...
Daniel.
P.S.What section would you like to be nominated for...?
Bladibla
Feb24-05, 10:17 AM
thanks dex.
And by no means do i want to be nominated.. :blushing: i was just curious about how it goes..
And by no means do i want to be nominated.. :blushing: i was just curious about how it goes..
EUROPE1
Feb24-05, 10:41 AM
How would one become a 'science advisor'? With voting or something else?
dextercioby
Feb24-05, 12:28 PM
Yes,super mentors are "held responsible" over that,too...:wink:
And of course,Greg & Warren need to agree.
Daniel.
And of course,Greg & Warren need to agree.
Daniel.
Astronuc
Feb24-05, 01:11 PM
How would one become a 'science advisor'? With voting or something else?Credentials and experience in a particular subject or subjects, along with participation in providing useful and accurate information in the various forums.
Evo
Feb24-05, 01:41 PM
How would one become a 'science advisor'? With voting or something else?The mentors nominate members that have a history of making accurate, knowledgeable and helpful posts.
The final decision is Greg's.
The final decision is Greg's.
tribdog
Feb24-05, 04:22 PM
titles can be bought and sold though. this is America afterall. I've got a slightly used pink ribbon for sale on ebay if you are interested.
dextercioby
Feb24-05, 04:30 PM
Nope,it won't do.I'm interested in the genuine...:wink: :devil:
Daniel.
Daniel.
Evo
Feb24-05, 04:38 PM
The mentors nominate members that have a history of making accurate, knowledgeable and helpful posts. Oh, except for funniest member. :biggrin:
Integral
Feb24-05, 05:02 PM
How would one become a 'science advisor'? With voting or something else?
As Evo said.
The way it generally works is that when a mentor observes a history of sound physical knowledge displayed by a member we submit his name to the rest of the mentors along with a link to a representative post and a request to review his other posts. If the candidate receives support from the rest of the team then Greg or Warren will do the software tricks necessary for the ribbons to appear.
We are considering establishing more guidelines, including; time as a membered; number of posts (this is not as significant as the post content); and attitude. In the future we may deny ribbons to members who do not have the ability to respond civilly to stupid questions even though they show a command of physics.
This advisor thing is a relatively new feature and we are learning as we go. If you feel that you are deserving please continue to post quality help and be patient.
If you are new to the forum, we feel that if there is advisors and non advisors in disagreement on a topic the advisor is more likely to be representing the current state of knowledge.
As Evo said.
The way it generally works is that when a mentor observes a history of sound physical knowledge displayed by a member we submit his name to the rest of the mentors along with a link to a representative post and a request to review his other posts. If the candidate receives support from the rest of the team then Greg or Warren will do the software tricks necessary for the ribbons to appear.
We are considering establishing more guidelines, including; time as a membered; number of posts (this is not as significant as the post content); and attitude. In the future we may deny ribbons to members who do not have the ability to respond civilly to stupid questions even though they show a command of physics.
This advisor thing is a relatively new feature and we are learning as we go. If you feel that you are deserving please continue to post quality help and be patient.
If you are new to the forum, we feel that if there is advisors and non advisors in disagreement on a topic the advisor is more likely to be representing the current state of knowledge.
Bladibla
Feb24-05, 05:18 PM
Thanks for all the explanation, members/mentors of PF.
Its more than i wanted to know
Its more than i wanted to know
Evo
Feb24-05, 05:27 PM
Thanks for all the explanation, members/mentors of PF.
Its more than i wanted to knowOver informing is what we do best. :biggrin:
Its more than i wanted to knowOver informing is what we do best. :biggrin:
Bladibla
Feb24-05, 05:33 PM
Over informing is what we do best. :biggrin:
lol..
Hope its not a bad thing though for your sake...
lol..
Hope its not a bad thing though for your sake...
vikasj007
Feb25-05, 07:56 AM
are the titles only for the pf contributers or is it open for everybody?
again, what about those forums which do not have mentors, like 'brain teasers', can somebody be nominated for just those too. i mean "brain teaser guru"......
again, what about those forums which do not have mentors, like 'brain teasers', can somebody be nominated for just those too. i mean "brain teaser guru"......
dextercioby
Feb25-05, 08:54 AM
No,ribbons and awards are for all non-staff members,whether contributers or not.As for staff membership,yes,i think contribuing with money to the welfare of these forums is a requirement.
As for unmoderated forums,any staff member can do whatever he pleases with any message from there.As for "brain teaser guru"...I think there's not enough interest in that forum,as to reward somebody for caring about it...
Daniel.
As for unmoderated forums,any staff member can do whatever he pleases with any message from there.As for "brain teaser guru"...I think there's not enough interest in that forum,as to reward somebody for caring about it...
Daniel.
Moonbear
Feb25-05, 10:15 AM
Correct, there are people with ribbons and medals who are not contributors. I don't know if it influences decisions about choosing mentors. Since Greg would want people who have shown they are dedicated and planning to stay around for a while, contributorship may factor in somewhat, but you don't get to buy your way to the top, you definitely need to show you know what you are doing.
ramollari
Feb25-05, 10:39 AM
As for staff membership,yes,i think contribuing with money to the welfare of these forums is a requirement.
Isn't it the opposite - don't they get paid? :confused:
Isn't it the opposite - don't they get paid? :confused:
The_Professional
Feb25-05, 10:42 AM
If you donate one of this (http://store.sun.com/CMTemplate/CEServlet?process=SunStore&cmdViewProduct_CP&catid=111375) to the site, then maybe just maybe you will get to have one of the highly coveted ribbons.
dextercioby
Feb25-05, 10:42 AM
What do you mean...?Does Greg have a company & the supermentors as employees...?
I doubt it...
Daniel.
I doubt it...
Daniel.
ramollari
Feb25-05, 10:45 AM
Well, it's just the term 'staff' that made me think that. :wink:
ZapperZ
Feb25-05, 10:47 AM
We are considering establishing more guidelines, including; time as a membered; number of posts (this is not as significant as the post content); and attitude. In the future we may deny ribbons to members who do not have the ability to respond civilly to stupid questions even though they show a command of physics.
Oh dear. I could be in deep trouble with that one! <clutching at his ribbons>
:) :)
Zz.
Oh dear. I could be in deep trouble with that one! <clutching at his ribbons>
:) :)
Zz.
dextercioby
Feb25-05, 10:47 AM
Nope,we're guests and they're hosts.So we should behave,else they kick us out...
Daniel.
Daniel.
ramollari
Feb25-05, 10:49 AM
If you donate one of this (http://store.sun.com/CMTemplate/CEServlet?process=SunStore&cmdViewProduct_CP&catid=111375) to the site, then maybe just maybe you will get to have one of the highly coveted ribbons.
I've never seen such a thing!!! :bugeye: :eek:
I'm afraid Greg would sell it to somebody else :biggrin:
I've never seen such a thing!!! :bugeye: :eek:
I'm afraid Greg would sell it to somebody else :biggrin:
EUROPE1
Feb25-05, 11:00 AM
I've never seen such a thing!!! :bugeye: :eek:
I'm afraid Greg would sell it to somebody else :biggrin:
That's more than a million $!
Now if I am not wrong why do they give out 'science advisor' or 'homework helper' titles usually to the Physics guys. What about the Math, Biology, Chemistry, or Technology ones?
I'm afraid Greg would sell it to somebody else :biggrin:
That's more than a million $!
Now if I am not wrong why do they give out 'science advisor' or 'homework helper' titles usually to the Physics guys. What about the Math, Biology, Chemistry, or Technology ones?
Moonbear
Feb25-05, 11:01 AM
Isn't it the opposite - don't they get paid? :confused:
Nope, it's all volunteering around here. Do you think the handful of us who are contributors are donating enough to support salaries of over a dozen people here? We're donating to just keep things running here. The mentors have day jobs to keep them busy and pay their bills (a few are advanced level graduate students).
Nope, it's all volunteering around here. Do you think the handful of us who are contributors are donating enough to support salaries of over a dozen people here? We're donating to just keep things running here. The mentors have day jobs to keep them busy and pay their bills (a few are advanced level graduate students).
Moonbear
Feb25-05, 11:07 AM
That's more than a million $!
Now if I am not wrong why do they give out 'science advisor' or 'homework helper' titles usually to the Physics guys. What about the Math, Biology, Chemistry, or Technology ones?
Psst...hey...take a look over there.
<-----
Being a Physics Forum, of course there are more physicists around here, but medals and ribbons have been handed out in all categories. The vast majority of homework questions are in physics and math, so most of the homework helpers have expertise in those areas. If students started coming in and asking more homework questions in other subjects, there would be more opportunity for people to shine through as homework helpers in those subjects.
Now if I am not wrong why do they give out 'science advisor' or 'homework helper' titles usually to the Physics guys. What about the Math, Biology, Chemistry, or Technology ones?
Psst...hey...take a look over there.
<-----
Being a Physics Forum, of course there are more physicists around here, but medals and ribbons have been handed out in all categories. The vast majority of homework questions are in physics and math, so most of the homework helpers have expertise in those areas. If students started coming in and asking more homework questions in other subjects, there would be more opportunity for people to shine through as homework helpers in those subjects.
EUROPE1
Feb25-05, 11:11 AM
You are also a contributor and ...ooooooo... a guru ! :tongue2:
dextercioby
Feb25-05, 11:36 AM
And a science advisor AND LAST,BUT DEFINITELY NOT LEAST,A VERY NICE PERSON...
Daniel.
Daniel.
Moonbear
Feb25-05, 11:41 AM
And if you take a look over at Dex's pile of medals over there, you'll see it doesn't include contributorship (uh oh, Dex, the pressure is on you now! :wink:). Just pointing it out because you've got all those shiny medals and you didn't even have to bribe the judges. :biggrin:
dextercioby
Feb25-05, 11:45 AM
For the time being,i simply cannot afford.But in the future,things may change...:smile:
Your medal is shining more than mines...:cry:
Daniel.
Your medal is shining more than mines...:cry:
Daniel.
ramollari
Feb25-05, 01:07 PM
That's more than a million $!
Now if I am not wrong why do they give out 'science advisor' or 'homework helper' titles usually to the Physics guys. What about the Math, Biology, Chemistry, or Technology ones?
Indeed. At least it is the case for the technology gurus who are sweating a lot and no medal there is for any of them. :grumpy:
Now if I am not wrong why do they give out 'science advisor' or 'homework helper' titles usually to the Physics guys. What about the Math, Biology, Chemistry, or Technology ones?
Indeed. At least it is the case for the technology gurus who are sweating a lot and no medal there is for any of them. :grumpy:
arildno
Feb25-05, 01:08 PM
Actually, I think "Riddler of the Year" could be a neat title for the "Brain Teaser Guru".
("Mindtwister" sounds a bit creepy, IMO)
("Mindtwister" sounds a bit creepy, IMO)
Math Is Hard
Feb25-05, 01:12 PM
Indeed. At least it is the case for the technology gurus who are sweating a lot and no medal there is for any of them. :grumpy:
actually, graphic7 won the technology guru award, if I am not mistaken.
actually, graphic7 won the technology guru award, if I am not mistaken.
The_Professional
Feb25-05, 01:54 PM
Indeed. At least it is the case for the technology gurus who are sweating a lot and no medal there is for any of them. :grumpy:
I know, I really work hard, stretching my back, lifting my arms and legs answering every tech question......just kidding
I know, I really work hard, stretching my back, lifting my arms and legs answering every tech question......just kidding
Moonbear
Feb25-05, 04:13 PM
For the time being,i simply cannot afford.But in the future,things may change...:smile:
Your medal is shining more than mines...:cry:
Daniel.
Ah, well, that is one of the perks of contributorship. Greg personally sees that my medal is kept highly polished. If you don't contribute, you have to polish your own medal. :biggrin:
Actually, that's why you still get all the important stuff here and recognition for your efforts even if you're not a contributor, because a lot of people here are students, so even a small fee can seem like a lot to a tight budget.
Though, some of us will do anything for a gold star under our name. It's that Pavlovian conditioning by our early childhood teachers who trained us that gold stars are really great rewards. :biggrin:
Your medal is shining more than mines...:cry:
Daniel.
Ah, well, that is one of the perks of contributorship. Greg personally sees that my medal is kept highly polished. If you don't contribute, you have to polish your own medal. :biggrin:
Actually, that's why you still get all the important stuff here and recognition for your efforts even if you're not a contributor, because a lot of people here are students, so even a small fee can seem like a lot to a tight budget.
Though, some of us will do anything for a gold star under our name. It's that Pavlovian conditioning by our early childhood teachers who trained us that gold stars are really great rewards. :biggrin:
Evo
Feb25-05, 05:03 PM
Originally Posted by Integral
We are considering establishing more guidelines, including; time as a membered; number of posts (this is not as significant as the post content); and attitude. In the future we may deny ribbons to members who do not have the ability to respond civilly to stupid questions even though they show a command of physics.Oh dear. I could be in deep trouble with that one! <clutching at his ribbons>
:) :)
Zz. :rofl: I think your ribbons are safe (for now). :biggrin:
We are considering establishing more guidelines, including; time as a membered; number of posts (this is not as significant as the post content); and attitude. In the future we may deny ribbons to members who do not have the ability to respond civilly to stupid questions even though they show a command of physics.Oh dear. I could be in deep trouble with that one! <clutching at his ribbons>
:) :)
Zz. :rofl: I think your ribbons are safe (for now). :biggrin:
chroot
Feb25-05, 05:13 PM
Nope, no one gets paid for anything -- contributions go only to paying for the site's web server and bandwidth.
Nope, we do not consider contribution to be a factor in any sort of award, either mentorship or medals. Contribution is just a donation, welcomed but by no means required for any kind of recognition. It would be pretty unethical, in my opinion, to promote people based on their financial contributions. We here are in the business of physics and math education, not in the business of raising capital. The money issue is an unfortunate reality we wish we didn't have to contend with -- we are, in fact, considering making a concerted effort to find some kind of educational funding, so we won't have to continue to beg our members for money.
Our members' contributions of time, knowledge, and comraderie are more valuable to us than any sum of money, and that will never change.
- Warren
Nope, we do not consider contribution to be a factor in any sort of award, either mentorship or medals. Contribution is just a donation, welcomed but by no means required for any kind of recognition. It would be pretty unethical, in my opinion, to promote people based on their financial contributions. We here are in the business of physics and math education, not in the business of raising capital. The money issue is an unfortunate reality we wish we didn't have to contend with -- we are, in fact, considering making a concerted effort to find some kind of educational funding, so we won't have to continue to beg our members for money.
Our members' contributions of time, knowledge, and comraderie are more valuable to us than any sum of money, and that will never change.
- Warren
Moonbear
Feb25-05, 06:55 PM
we are, in fact, considering making a concerted effort to find some kind of educational funding, so we won't have to continue to beg our members for money.
Have you looked into what NSF funds? Or even the *gasp* Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation? (As long as they don't require you to make the site compatible with only I.E.)
As soon as I get a tenure-track position (I'm doing the job search thing now, you'll all know if/when I find something), there's an NSF award mechanism that I'll be eligible for that requires including an educational/teaching component, and there might be a way to build that on what's here and fully fund this site for a few years. I'll keep that thought in mind now that I know you all are open to grant funding.
Have you looked into what NSF funds? Or even the *gasp* Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation? (As long as they don't require you to make the site compatible with only I.E.)
As soon as I get a tenure-track position (I'm doing the job search thing now, you'll all know if/when I find something), there's an NSF award mechanism that I'll be eligible for that requires including an educational/teaching component, and there might be a way to build that on what's here and fully fund this site for a few years. I'll keep that thought in mind now that I know you all are open to grant funding.
Bladibla
Feb25-05, 07:04 PM
I think i have found what causes some of you to kill threads: over-informing. Sometimes, being overkind can hurt.. :frown:
Moonbear
Feb25-05, 07:08 PM
I think i have found what causes some of you to kill threads: over-informing. Sometimes, being overkind can hurt.. :frown:
I guess it makes sense it would work that way. Once everyone knows all they want to know on a topic, they stop posting in it. :wink:
I guess it makes sense it would work that way. Once everyone knows all they want to know on a topic, they stop posting in it. :wink:
Evo
Feb25-05, 10:41 PM
As soon as I get a tenure-track position (I'm doing the job search thing now, you'll all know if/when I find something), there's an NSF award mechanism that I'll be eligible for that requires including an educational/teaching component, and there might be a way to build that on what's here and fully fund this site for a few years. I'll keep that thought in mind now that I know you all are open to grant funding.Woohoo!!!!! Moonbear will be the PF benefactoress!!!!! :approve: That would be great!!!!!!
vikasj007
Feb26-05, 04:42 AM
so this means that we don't get ribbons without paying up, but can we get those shiny medals or do we have to be a paying member for that too.
ramollari
Feb26-05, 04:52 AM
Hi, just read the chroot's post a few posts up the page.
Gokul43201
Feb26-05, 05:04 AM
Ribbons and medals have nothing to do with paying.
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